Scotland's filling up, they are lining the M8 now.
What's the rest of the UK like ?
What's the rest of the UK like ?
Wind Turbines
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cerealthriller
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Hate the things!
caorach
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Local residents will be able to block all future onshore wind farms under new measures to be fast-tracked into law, the new energy secretary has announced. “It will mean no more onshore wind farm subsidies and no more onshore wind farms without local community support.” In an interview with The Sunday Times Amber Rudd also said the Tory government would kick-start a shale gas revolution and loosen rules so it could be extracted from under national parks. --Tim Shipman, The Sunday Times, 17 May 2015
Of course I've no idea what will happen in the Socialist Republic of North Korea, errr, Scotland, but none the less it is progress.
Of course I've no idea what will happen in the Socialist Republic of North Korea, errr, Scotland, but none the less it is progress.
megsjockey
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Makes the current Scottish land reform issue seem like an amateur dabble too, since it will allow the State to help itself to (or sell) resources that currently belong to the holders of title in the overlying land, without compensation (except for access damage)
Mick9abf
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Funny I thought this may be another reason for the sudden interest in the Scottish Government owning other people's land after forcing them to sell a while back.......
Rest of UK not AS bad, but getting there. They don't 'benefit' from the local dictatorship calling in all the applications and voting in favour.
The Scottish government seems to be against the extraction of shale gas etc.
Looks they could be headed for a wee, or maybe a rather large, confrontation with the owner of INEOS.
But the thread is about wind turbines.
Looks they could be headed for a wee, or maybe a rather large, confrontation with the owner of INEOS.
But the thread is about wind turbines.
They are not only hideous, but environmentally unsound. They do not produce enough energy to recoup the energy required to produce them ( which has to come from oil, coal, gas, and nuclear electric power generation - all of which are more efficient and therefore, cheaper ). But they look clean to the untrained eye of hippies and "environmentalists". And, with the huge subsidies from government, they are profitable for the large corporations which manufacture them, and cronies of politicians who get to set up money-losing "green" ventures and run them dry.
Tartan_Terrier
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Just wondering if anyone here had any wind turbines on their permissions, and if so how (or if) the deer reacted to them in any way?
I've wondered what's inside them and did a wee google, interesting stuff.
I did wonder about the input/output equation though. A lot is made about the "free" energy but there's nowt free as a Yorkshire pal used to say.
Especially the offshore ones, the maintenance and wear and tear on them must be high.
Southern, are there many in the States?. Maybe it depends on which State?
I did wonder about the input/output equation though. A lot is made about the "free" energy but there's nowt free as a Yorkshire pal used to say.
Especially the offshore ones, the maintenance and wear and tear on them must be high.
Southern, are there many in the States?. Maybe it depends on which State?
Yes I do............... To the deer and foxes they make no difference. The downside is dog walkers coming to have a look at the turbines.
The sub stations make ideal look out platforms to sniper from
....... so I'm told!
paul k
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Most HAWT (propeller) type turbines have a limited range of wind speeds in which they can operate, with the wind speed below about 5 metres per second they don't generate any power and above about 20 metres per second the tip speed of the blades is too fast and it starts to cavitate as the blade passes the mast so they have to be switched off. Then add in maintenance and most turbines are generating power for only about 25% of the time.
As well as the energy used to make and transport the turbine to its location don't forget the huge amount of concrete required for it to stand on and the roads that have to be built for access.
As well as the energy used to make and transport the turbine to its location don't forget the huge amount of concrete required for it to stand on and the roads that have to be built for access.
My Mrs spent years of her life and drove thousands of miles around Scotland trying to find a sites for businesses that would meet the planning departments environmental impact and loss of visual amenity requirements. Even the impact and loss on already buggered up industrial estates. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
Then I look at these vast stands of turbines and think to myself how can these have got through the same hoops so quickly.
They are plug-ugly.
Then I look at these vast stands of turbines and think to myself how can these have got through the same hoops so quickly.
They are plug-ugly.
If you look at a group of them (farm or plantation?) there always seems to be quite a high proportion, say 1 in 10, not going round for one reason or another?.
Here are a bunch of facts ( and slant ) from Penn State University, which has a large school of meteorology.
Wind Energy Facts at a Glance
Under the wild subsidies of the Obama administration, the number of turbines has grown from 25,000 to 65,000. Same sort of explosion of solar panels. But many of the big companies which sprung up to grab the subsidies are already bankrupt.
I can see 12 turbines on a mountain ridge 15 miles north of where I am working today. It is very clear and sunny, about 55 degrees, and breezy. The turbines are turning well. Most of the time, they are idle. The reason they are there is because of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which is now under the Dept of Energy. They tell the scientists what they want, and the scientists cook up grant proposals if they want to keep their jobs. Northrup Grumman, which is a contractor operating some DOE sites, has a carbon graphite R&D and manufacturing facility nearby ORNL, so they play along. None of it is economically feasible. All the parts are made from petrochemicals, or metals like aluminum or stainless steel which are smelted by electrode, using nuclear power generation. And these 12 wind turbines sit in the midst of 40 hydroelectric reservoirs and 6 nuclear generating plants run by TVA.
I know they are ugly and inefficient, more research is needed but renewables have to be the future , fossil fuels are not really an option and nuclear is just to hazardous to even consider.
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