Women in Shooting
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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Should BASC not be concerned more about the year on year decrease 5% 2022, 4% 2023 ……. than just focusing on encouraging women to take up shooting, should that not be all especially the young if the sport is to have a future.
As for “Shooting is open to everyone, and there are barriers, whether real or perceived, to get into shooting..”
Then cost is certainly becoming a significant real barrier and with one cartridge manufacture already announcing a price increase in mid February and the full effects of the scope of the lead ban yet to be known and additional cost of biodegradable wads and steel shot the future looks very uncertain.
Data taken from the NFLMS on 31 March 2023 showed that there were:
As at 31 March 2022, there were:
As for “Shooting is open to everyone, and there are barriers, whether real or perceived, to get into shooting..”
Then cost is certainly becoming a significant real barrier and with one cartridge manufacture already announcing a price increase in mid February and the full effects of the scope of the lead ban yet to be known and additional cost of biodegradable wads and steel shot the future looks very uncertain.
Data taken from the NFLMS on 31 March 2023 showed that there were:
- 147,140 firearm certificates on issue, a 3% decrease compared with 31 March 2022
- 500,894 shotgun certificates on issue, a 4% decrease compared with 31 March 2022
- 516,500 people who held a firearm and or a shotgun certificate, a 4% decrease compared with 31 March 2022
As at 31 March 2022, there were:
- 151,218 firearm certificates on issue, a 3% decrease compared with the previous year
- 522,627 shotgun certificates on issue, a 5% decrease compared with the previous year
- 539,212 people who held a firearm and or a shotgun certificate, a 5% decrease compared with the previous year
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Nimrod1960
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My conclusion on this thread and comments.
Well meant thread highlighting BASC initiatives to make shooting accessible spoilt by use of frankly silly wokespeak “tackle it head on” (panic panic panic).
LBQ whatever whatever ref is only ever going be a red woke flag to the raging bulls in this audience (self included).
Other than silly reference to mental illness (which I hope was a crap attempt at sarcasm) my take on the comments is that we are a pretty welcoming tolerant bunch. However, I suspect like the silent majority who did not go through the brainwashing of the current education system, are just fed up with having individual identity issues parcelled, categorised and stuffed down our throats.
Lesson is, to get a point over effectively, write in the audience’s own language.
Well meant thread highlighting BASC initiatives to make shooting accessible spoilt by use of frankly silly wokespeak “tackle it head on” (panic panic panic).
LBQ whatever whatever ref is only ever going be a red woke flag to the raging bulls in this audience (self included).
Other than silly reference to mental illness (which I hope was a crap attempt at sarcasm) my take on the comments is that we are a pretty welcoming tolerant bunch. However, I suspect like the silent majority who did not go through the brainwashing of the current education system, are just fed up with having individual identity issues parcelled, categorised and stuffed down our throats.
Lesson is, to get a point over effectively, write in the audience’s own language.
big ears
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You going to close this thread as well @sikamalc ?I believe the owners are on here. And unlike many male deer stalkers, they don't seem to make such a fuss and make a bloody argument out of nothing on social media. Which again at the moment seems to be the case on this thread
I see some are digging up issues non related to this post again. They should get a job digging up roads. They seem to be constantly being dug up.
sikamalc
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What does it say in my above post?????? Anymore swear words dressed up so it circumvents the site and its closed and the person responsible removed. Clear enough?
big ears
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That one hadn’t come up on my phone when I wrote my question. Bit if a lag sometimes.
Fair enough so no hidden swear words seems reasonable.
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sikamalc
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We can block certain words on here. But anyone circumventing this, and replacing with a similar word is as far as I'm concerned bringing the site down.
It's an open forum that anyone in the world can read. We all know what the word referred to, so if anyone thinks there being clever by adding another letter or number into the word, thus allowing it to be seen by the public on here, especially such a word with regards to a post about women, will find themselves removed from here.
It's an open forum that anyone in the world can read. We all know what the word referred to, so if anyone thinks there being clever by adding another letter or number into the word, thus allowing it to be seen by the public on here, especially such a word with regards to a post about women, will find themselves removed from here.
big ears
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Absolutely. So they should
Conor O'Gorman
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BASC has concerns about this and we have published our concerns on that previously. And there are a myriad of other things BASC is concerned about and working on. Just because I have posted an update about BASC running events to encourage more women into shooting does not mean the whole organisation is now focused on that.
12gsnapcaps
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Lots of people shoot who dont have certificates, for example the millions of airgunners. One good thing that has come from the lack of freedom we have regarding firearms is that we have created some of the most well engineered and accurate air rifles in the world through world leading British companies (BSA, Daystate, Air Arms etc)
Very true, my wife and daughter have occasionally both shot clay pigeons with me, most clay grounds have a section 11(6) exemption that allows for this, neither have a SGC. In the good old days my wife used to shoot pistols as a member of a Club, but she has never really taken to shotguns or rifles.
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks for the viewpoint - I will give that consideration for future posts on this topic and you might consider this.
Last year BASC staff and volunteers had face to face engagement reaching 45,141 young people for its Back to School programme which included wild food tasting - a key element in promoting shooting. That was up from 31,776 young people the year previous. BASC coaches, who are volunteers, introduce thousands of young people to shooting - that number goes up significantly when we attend international scout jamborees. Staff and volunteers are on the front line working with the young people you regard as 'brainwashed' and they treat those young people with respect and understanding - that of course can be challenging at times. Young people are growing up in a completely different world to previous generations. As ever it was. Tolerance is perhaps needed from your good self and others of a different generation - including as regards the language used in website updates written by people of a different generation? Personally I see no issue with ' tackle head-on' as a phrase - but appreciate its a trigger word for you. It goes without saying that the young people today are the shooting community of the future - and shooting may well be a very different mix of disciplines and interests than it is today.
Nimrod1960
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Fair comment Conor, if a little patronising
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks, perhaps that's old age creeping up on me...Fair comment Conor, if a little patronising
Thank You
Dunwaters
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Inclusivity is not In question, what’s being proposed is an active campaign to promote shooting amongst women.
The reasons are not particularly PC, women represent 50% of the population, they earn their own money and have disposable income. It’s already been shown that they are underrepresented in shooting sports, so to put it crudely, the gun and ammunition manufacturers plus every other associated business is itching to find a way to exploit what’s seen as a new market and grab a slice of the pie.
I personally don’t see a downside, but a heck of a lot of respondents to this thread seem to have major concerns.
tim@tcs
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You clearly haven’t read my post, treating certificate numbers as an absolute is farcical, there are plenty of women in shooting probably a higher proportion than males in equine sports. To force a change in numbers is equality of outcome not opportunity!
To force a change amongst a section of society that considers shooting to be casually enjoyed rather than having to jump through the hoops of licensing would either require removal of the exemption for non licence/certificate holders from licensing to be allowed to shoot!
Both of my sons shoot casually, sometimes not even annually, why should legal exemptions be removed forcing them to license? Some of my syndicate have daughters shooting on the same basis. Forcing licenses on them would make them give it up. They have nothing invested in the sport but take part and enjoy it contributing to the economy!
Perhaps encouraging more stalking or game syndicates to form with women would be better but again why use certificate numbers as a judge? To do so denigrates the financial contribution of those casual shots.
I wouldn’t say it’s a major concern as it’s not my money but if they lobby to force more certification then they will lose members who don’t have certs and don’t need them!
Remember that everything suggested to the government can backfire badly on you!
tim@tcs
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The only barrier to shooting is certification, just about every shooting sport can be undertaken and enjoyed at an amateur level without certification.
I should add that not being barred in advance by virtue of criminal conduct is also important but then criminals tend not to obey laws!
Even target rifle can be shot with a minimum of investment in time or kit and for many years without certification! There are ways!
I've read the posts but may have missed stuff. In 2022 three of out the top five shooters in the NRA Imperial Queens Prize were women. For those who don't shoot Target Rifle it is a knock out from around 1000 shooters, the best in the world. Alice Good won. I'm ashamed to say no mention from the NRA, NSRA or any other shooting organization in the popular press.
Seonaid Mcintosh today in Egypt. Another fine performance. I may have her name wrong but we seem to ignore women shooters as a matter of routine.
Seonaid Mcintosh today in Egypt. Another fine performance. I may have her name wrong but we seem to ignore women shooters as a matter of routine.
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