Your Dsc 2 experience s how did you find it ?

[Milligan]

If you can't find them, that's good. (Assuming one is looking in the right place)

The submandibular are obvious as are the mesenteric - because they are always "working"
The bronchial, mediastinal, portal are more of a challenge, but if you do find them easily and they are bigger than a broad bean, regard that as a "heads up"

This is something I've always held in mind as while I've seen some with enlarged glands (younger typically) I've never seen a proper case of the yuckies first hand.
I got a copy of this for perspective. quite useful really.
Field Guide to Deer Disease (Free UK P&P) - The British Deer Society

 

[huntero956]

Agreed with the comments above don’t rush into doing it. The follow up phone call covers anything you don’t get to do whilst on the stalk.

Nice feeling receiving the certificate.

Good luck

 

[foxdropper]

I have my own idea of the answer but what are others regarding a gut shot .If it’s real messy would you condemn the whole carcass or trim what’s untouched .Personally I hate seeing green and condemn the whole thing preferring to incinerate should it happen .What is the DSC 2 stance on it though ?
I recently shot a muntjac 3/4 on that clipped the green only very slightly that I was able to gralloch cleanly so obviously there are different scenarios .

 

[timbrayford]

I have my own idea of the answer but what are others regarding a gut shot .If it’s real messy would you condemn the whole carcass or trim what’s untouched .Personally I hate seeing green and condemn the whole thing preferring to incinerate should it happen .What is the DSC 2 stance on it though ?
I recently shot a muntjac 3/4 on that clipped the green only very slightly that I was able to gralloch cleanly so obviously there are different scenarios .

The same as you learned in DSC 1, its unfit to enter the food chain.
Would you take it home and eat it? I would!

 

[foxdropper]

My thoughts too Tim .
Reading this thread I was wondering if I’d missed something though .Personally I’d rather shoot another clean deer as we have no shortage and incinerate the contaminated beast .
I read from time to time of people trimming out green which I can’t quite get the head round .
Whats DSC stance on getting rid of condemned carcass .Excuse the questions but was a while since I did the 1 .
If it’s merely rejected on poor shot to the green is it ok to use as fox bait in the open .
Im aware there are certain laws regarding dumping of carcasses in the countryside .

 

[Tommy2bucks]

First of all - well done for considering DSC2, and best wishes as and when you embark on the process.

As to your question, during the gralloch you will be expected to check the mesenteric lymph nodes when inspecting the gralloch.

As part of your Individual Cull Record (ICR) you will also be required to remove the head and hooves of the deer, so you should also be comfortable locating and inspecting the sub-maxillary and retropharyngeal lymph nodes.

The Witness needs to see the above.

You are also expected to know where and how to locate and inspect the portal, gastric, bronchial and mediastinal lymph nodes for any abnormalities.

https://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/uploads/guides/159.pdf

If you can work your way from head to tail on the deer finding, examining and describing the above lymph nodes, you should be fine.

IMHO the best way to do this is to become familiar with locating the lymph nodes beforehand from a practical - rather than a theoretical - perspective. The witnessed stalk is not the time to be digging around trying to identify lymph nodes for the first time, not least because as a Candidate you have to be able to find the lymph nodes without prompting or guidance.

My other three tips would be as follows:

First, there is a lot of information on DMQ's website. Download it and spend some time reviewing it well before you go on your witnessed stalk, as it will help you to understand fully both what you need to do as well as what the Witness will be expecting to see.

Second, become as familar as possible with all the Performance Criteria (PC's) and their respective key features. As stalkers there are lots of things we tend to do automatically, born out of familiarity. However on a witnessed stalk you are being witnessed as to whether you meet the pre-defined criteria or not - so be confident you know the criteria and can show them as having been met.

My final tip would be to spend enough time preparing for Element 4 "Transport and Store Dead Deer". For obvious reasons the primary focus on an outing tends to be on successfully finding, identifying, stalking, shooting and gralloching the deer. Then we all tend to breathe a huge sigh of relief. However......there are a large number of PC's in the ICR that follow on from that, including transporting the deer back to the larder, lardering the deer, the use of the larder, and maintaining accurate cull and larder records. These criteria may not be as glamorous as the stalk itself, but they are criteria that have to be met just the same. Become as familiar with these as you are with the task of grassing the deer.

Best of luck.

Absolutely bang on that’s what I did just completed mine all the relevant info is there to check if you’re unsure on performance criteria read it several times so it sinks in if you’re unsure and as willi gun has said identify all of the lymph nodes from top to bottom to be sure and just do what you normally do
I used piered of here was really good
Completed it on a muntjac and he asked if i wanted to do another so managed to shoot a fallow and did another doing it exactly the same
You will be fine
Good luck