Rebarrel

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EMcC said:
OK, I'll leave it for you to continue as your input has answered the original question.
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So we are agreed then? JC isnt 1/3 of the price of others, his costs are actually comparable, for £550 you get a £200 barrel fitted, for a £400 barrel he would be £750 ish. Thats fitted on a "fit for purpose" lathe using basic tooling and guages, producing hunting accuracy rifles. The other guys use tooling thats the best in the business, delivering work to a better than necessary standard. The extra £50 gets you piece of mind that youve had the best.

looking forward to getting my rifle back, i'll do a write up when it arrives, tell you if my £50 was worth it!
 
deerstalker39 said:
Can anyone give a rough price on a sako 85 rebarrel

Equiring out of interest
Thanks all
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I just had a rebarrel job done, if i was you get some quotes and go with what you can afford. Dont get hooked up in the mudslinging thats going on here as 99.9% of the posters couldnt tell one barrel from the other , if you thousands to spend to on a rebarrel/custom rifle like some people imagine they have on this thread youd be better off going to London and getting yourself into Holland and Holland and getting them to make you one.
 
My experience of custom gun work is limited but I had a bad time having a rifle rebarrelled (not a smith mentioned here I hasten to add). The rifle shot very well but when it arrived the barrel wasn't at all what I ordered/was sold. No apologies, no return policy. I and/or friends have since had very good dealings with Steve Kershaw (a star!) and Callum Ferguson. In the future I would go on personal recommendation from folks I know and trust. In the meantime however, I bought a well-used Blaser. I then rebarrelled it myself, using an allen key. It shoots as well as either of the semi customs I've owned.
 
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Barrel discussions are always interesting - I like the different approaches people take to their shooting eg. Once in a lifetime stalk in Mongolia or Namibia and wanting /needing the best and have everything come together. The other aspect is deer stalkers who mainly like the stalk and get as close as possible and use factory ammo. Others shoot fox etc and others do paper at a distance with the need for extreme accuracy.
To use the phrase "you get what you pay for" isn't always accurate in buying barrels - afaik there are some barrels that are button and cut produced rifling which cost the same. Which is the cheaper and more expensive as a product? Would I take the cheap cut barrel or the expensive button barrel?
I don't have a problem with any after market barrel fitted by a competent person if the barrel is correctly chosen for its purpose.
Begarra barrels im sure will do just fine for deer stalking in the uk and many more applications.
If you choose to shoot competition at 1000 yards and beyond, all the details count.
This is a stalking forum, not long distance cross canyon mule shooting. Lets keep the reality of "needs" of what is required to do the job right and not what works best beyond traditional stalking distances.
Deer wont be offended if you use a begarra, remington, sako, Truflite, or Kreiger etc.....
 
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dropmdead said:
Barrel discussions are always interesting - I like the different approaches people take to their shooting eg. Once in a lifetime stalk in Mongolia or Namibia and wanting /needing the best and have everything come together. The other aspect is deer stalkers who mainly like the stalk and get as close as possible and use factory ammo. Others shoot fox etc and others do paper at a distance with the need for extreme accuracy.
To use the phrase "you get what you pay for" isn't always accurate in buying barrels - afaik there are some barrels that are button and cut produced rifling which cost the same. Which is the cheaper and more expensive as a product? Would I take the cheap cut barrel or the expensive button barrel?
I don't have a problem with any after market barrel fitted by a competent person if the barrel is correctly chosen for its purpose.
Begarra barrels im sure will do just fine for deer stalking in the uk and many more applications.
If you choose to shoot competition at 1000 yards and beyond, all the details count.
This is a stalking forum, not long distance cross canyon mule shooting. Lets keep the reality of "needs" of what is required to do the job right and not what works best beyond traditional stalking distances.
Deer wont be offended if you use a begarra, remington, sako, Truflite, or Kreiger etc.....
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Excellent post dropmdead,

A bit of reality at last. Furthermore anyone who believes Bergara barrels, are the only barrels with eccentricity, profile to rifling :doh:...john
 
straightpull6547 said:
you are talking rubbish.

you cant claim someone does work for 1/3 of the price of others without substantiating it. Going rate for basic rebarrel and thread/cap with no surface finish is £800-£1000 by the top smiths using best barrels which cost no more than £400. Bergarras are sub £200 which means you paid £333 max.
which also means good 'ol JC worked for about £100. Worth every penny...

You dont get issues like this when you pays proper beans

Jager SA


so to answer the op's question, about £800 if you use paddy, neil or mik, £1000 callum. £550 jager sa

Research done
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Lol that's your research is it...very definitive. Seems the sheeple will believe everything they are told these days. Ho hum.
 
Tuck said:
What I can't get my head round is why do you have to use a bergara James? Can You not get hold of the better barrels? Like Kreiger, Sassen, Pacnor etc? Or do you just choose not to use them? Would you still be the cheapest smith if you were using different barrels? I'm not having a poke before you get on your high horse I'm just asking the question?
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I can get hold of any barrel that a customer wants from any manufacturer. Can you tell me the benefits of using other barrels other than Bergara? You mention a few others.

My machining costs would be the same with any barrel, £55 an hour. If someone wants a £500 barrel then they get one, it's personal choice.
 
straightpull6547 said:
So we are agreed then? JC isnt 1/3 of the price of others, his costs are actually comparable, for £550 you get a £200 barrel fitted, for a £400 barrel he would be £750 ish. Thats fitted on a "fit for purpose" lathe using basic tooling and guages, producing hunting accuracy rifles. The other guys use tooling thats the best in the business, delivering work to a better than necessary standard. The extra £50 gets you piece of mind that youve had the best.

looking forward to getting my rifle back, i'll do a write up when it arrives, tell you if my £50 was worth it!
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Lmao, basic tooling and gauges, what like Secco, Kennemetal, PTG, Triebel, Mititoyu, Moore and Wright, oh and the new kids on the block Scorpion, who are very good.

Yes that's all my cheap tooling, DTIs, Micrometers and ground pin gauges.

Jeez you sheeple need to get out more. Oh and I don't do "that'll do standards" just so we are clear. :)
 
What amazes me is yet another thread has turned in "my Willy is better than yours" just pathetic.

Grown men, allegedly, who own firearms conducting themselves like children at times. Jeez, that's sheeple for you.
 
243 fallow said:
I just had a rebarrel job done, if i was you get some quotes and go with what you can afford. Dont get hooked up in the mudslinging thats going on here as 99.9% of the posters couldnt tell one barrel from the other , if you thousands to spend to on a rebarrel/custom rifle like some people imagine they have on this thread youd be better off going to London and getting yourself into Holland and Holland and getting them to make you one.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there Fallow. Go with what you think yourself, that's what I did, I only spent a bit more on my barrel as a treat for myself and knew that I wanted one day maybe shoot targets, hence spending a bit more definitely was a good choice for me as it would have meant ...... possibly....and I say possibly spending more money on a better barrel at a later stage if I had got a cheaper barrel. But saying that there are some cheaper barrels that shoot very very well indeed.
 
Thing is, how come Jager gets pulled into this ? ....again .....
Coz he is cheaper than others? .....so folk think oh he must be sh!te !

Really !?

I bet half the folk slating him have never bl00dy used him !

I've used Russel Gall & Grant Taylor
Both gentlemen and make great rifles

My pal had had rifle done by Jager and its spot on

If someone uses something and you think it's crap , but he gets,on with it and loves it is he wrong ?

No

Get over it and leave folk to make an informed decision

& as for slating someone on the forum undeservedly because in your opinion ? Come on!

Unless you have had work done to a bad standard or the like , then take it up via the courts or trading standards ...NOT here

Paul
 
So James, can you please tell us why your customers are saying you are 1/3 of the cost of others? How much did you charge Emcc for a bergarra barrel (fitted, proofed, insured and tax paid)??
 
straightpull6547 said:
So James, can you please tell us why your customers are saying you are 1/3 of the cost of others? How much did you charge Emcc for a bergarra barrel (fitted, proofed, insured and tax paid)??
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No I can't tell you why someone said that, try asking them. Are you insuating I don't pay tax and insurance? Fred in a shed with Chinese lathe might not pay tax or have insurance...I don't have a shed!
 
Thing I love about these threads is those who see fit trying to slate me, make themselves look more stupid than they realise. Facts Gentlemen, facts. Get the facts about my work, then come and see me and tell me how cheap and inferior it is. Ffs
 
A review of Riflesmithing and custom/semi-custom rifles in the UK would be a great thesis for a business studies student.
 
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