Unfortunately speed cameras with ANPR don't use any discretion!
Speed limit for twin cab?
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Unfortunately speed cameras with ANPR don't use any discretion!
Chanty Wrassler
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Funny thing is I drive a Peugeot Bippa and have never been told my speed is restricted other than by national speed limits.
I have lost count of the number of police cars I have overtaken while doing 70 on dual carriageway or motorway, never a problem.
Neil.
Motorway limit is 70 anyway, and I believe the Bipper is comfortably below the weight boundary so car speed limits apply
Orion
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Doesn't matter if your dual cab pickup is registered as a light goods vehicle rather than PLG, or used commercially or as private transport, provided it meets the criteria of a 'dual-purpose vehicle' as stated in post #1 at the beginning of this thread, then the same national speed limits as a car apply.
Read all about it on the UK Gov website: https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Read all about it on the UK Gov website: https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Druid
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Hang on. The government website seems to contradict itself.
in the table it states-
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles are at limits of 30,60 and 70 then below the table it states-
[h=3]Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles[/h]Most vans under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight, including Ford Transit vans:
am I being thick here? (Probably)
in the table it states-
Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles are at limits of 30,60 and 70 then below the table it states-
[h=3]Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles[/h]Most vans under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight, including Ford Transit vans:
- have a lower speed limit than cars
- must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
am I being thick here? (Probably)
highland stalker
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Read the bit directly below the two bullet points.
deerstalker.308
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Well my hilux weighs a smidge under 3 tonnes according to the V5 and the manual, so regardless of it being dual use and double cab, it exceeds the 2040kg limit by quite some margin therefor is limited to 60 on motorways etc.....
Chanty Wrassler
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highland stalker
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Must be a big hilux you have. Are you sure that is not your fully laden weight. Mine is a little under 2 ton.
see this chart for hilux kerb weight.
http://media.toyota.co.uk/wp-content/files_mf/1351767083TOYOTAHILUXTECHNICALSPECIFICATION.pdf
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Druid
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Gordon Bennett! It appears that driving law is nearly as Byzantine as firearms laws in this country.
I do despair that if all laws are made so complicated and are rarely clearly understood then it is extremely difficult to know whether you are acting within the law or not!!!!
I do despair that if all laws are made so complicated and are rarely clearly understood then it is extremely difficult to know whether you are acting within the law or not!!!!
Brimfire
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It makes it easier to make everyone criminals and justify all the nanny state businesses! Short of taxing air that we breather they have it all sewn up lol!
Coddy
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It will weight that much with the ballhair over 1000kgs payload in the back (for vat reclaim purposes). It will be nearer 2 ton kerb weight.
I couldn't find a definition of 'mass in service' so I asked DVLA and they responded as follows:
'The term 'Mass in Service' is the weight at the point the vehicle is in running order. The weight is recorded in kg's. This includes coolants, oils, fuel, spare wheel, tools and driver'.
Now the definition of dual purpose vehicle uses the term 'unladen weight' which is defined on the Gov.UK website as follows:
'The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items.
It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road.
It doesn’t include the weight of the fuel or, if it’s an electric vehicle, the batteries.'
The definition does not mention driver but I think it is reasonable to assume that the driver is included in 'passengers'.
The mass in service of my Navara is 2160kg. If I deduct 130kg for weight of driver and fuel it gives it an unladen weight of 2030kg which is 10kg under 2040kg and therefore a dual purpose vehicle and subject to same speed restrictions as a car.
It surely shouldn't be this difficult to get a definitive answer!
'The term 'Mass in Service' is the weight at the point the vehicle is in running order. The weight is recorded in kg's. This includes coolants, oils, fuel, spare wheel, tools and driver'.
Now the definition of dual purpose vehicle uses the term 'unladen weight' which is defined on the Gov.UK website as follows:
'The unladen weight of any vehicle is the weight of the vehicle when it’s not carrying any passengers, goods or other items.
It includes the body and all parts normally used with the vehicle or trailer when it’s used on a road.
It doesn’t include the weight of the fuel or, if it’s an electric vehicle, the batteries.'
The definition does not mention driver but I think it is reasonable to assume that the driver is included in 'passengers'.
The mass in service of my Navara is 2160kg. If I deduct 130kg for weight of driver and fuel it gives it an unladen weight of 2030kg which is 10kg under 2040kg and therefore a dual purpose vehicle and subject to same speed restrictions as a car.
It surely shouldn't be this difficult to get a definitive answer!
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Sinistral
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I’m not sure that helps the OP all that much, but I’m guessing it’s a works van & you pay BIK to HMRC. Employers still have to pay the fuel bills for heavy-footed employees, so usually save the cost of the factory option within a month.
The speed limits aren’t too difficult to follow, but I think speed governors are a good idea regardless. Pretty cheap too, particularly with cruise control. Prices below from the VW website (before & after VAT)
CADDY VAN ….. Startline/Trendline/Highline/Maxi
Driver assistance options:-
• Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) including speed limiter. £215.00 £258.00
Only in combination with leather multi-function steering wheel and Front Assist
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• Cruise control including speed limiter. £230.00 £276.00
Chanty Wrassler
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From the Construction & Use Regulations (the definitive law on the subject)
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[TD="class: LegTDplain"]unladen weight[/TD]
[TD="class: LegTDplain"]the weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment.[/TD]
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Sinistral
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Ha-ha ... thanks. This thread could keep us boring each other for the duration of the Olympics. Not watched a minute of that & don’t intend to either, so this has come in handy.
I claim the prize for the best working definition, as aphorisms are easier to remember. ‘Unladen Weight’ is the weight of the vehicle on the end of the assembly line.
It’s then advisable to add fuel, oil, and water before starting the engine to drive it off. This then gives you the official ‘Mass in Service’, or the ‘Kerb Weight’ which is the term used in the manufacturer’s brochure.
My V5C
Taxation Class = LGV
‘Mass in Service’ = 1517 Kgs
‘Max Permissible Weight’ = 2340 Kg GROSS
‘Revenue Weight’ = 2340 Kg GROSS
As it’s an LGV with an MPW over 2 Tonnes the speed is limited to 50MPH on single carriageways. The brochure claims a load capacity of 900 Tonnes, but the MPW less MIS is only 813 Kgs which is puzzling. Apart from observing the speed limit, the only thing that I need to worry about is straying over the MPW, when a compulsory trip to the council weighbridge might be ordered.
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Fascinating topic, although all irrelevant to me since I put m/t tyres on the defender. My limits are now:
Max speed (if 2ft behind artic doing 60mph): 60
Top speed for conversation with passenger: 35
Top speed at which i can recognise songs on radio: 45
Speed are which car tyres sound like a stuka peeling out of a dive onto a convoy of soft top bedfords: 50
Speed at which passengers start feeling uncomfortable on country lanes: 20
Sped at which fun prevention officer (wife) gets shouty: 30
Max speed (if 2ft behind artic doing 60mph): 60
Top speed for conversation with passenger: 35
Top speed at which i can recognise songs on radio: 45
Speed are which car tyres sound like a stuka peeling out of a dive onto a convoy of soft top bedfords: 50
Speed at which passengers start feeling uncomfortable on country lanes: 20
Sped at which fun prevention officer (wife) gets shouty: 30
8x57
Distinguished Member
Ha-ha ...
The brochure claims a load capacity of 900 Tonnes, but the MPW less MIS is only 813 Kgs which is puzzling. Apart from observing the speed limit, the only thing that I need to worry about is straying over the MPW, when a compulsory trip to the council weighbridge might be ordered.
I wouldn't worry about it mate, there aren't that many council weighbridges that can take 900 Tonnes.
