.204

[straightpull6547]

The relevant legislation is the Deer (Firearmsetc.) (Scotland) Order 1985 Google

For roe deer, there is no specified minimum calibre, only minimum bullet weight, muzzle velocity and muzzle energy.
Therefore any bullet (irrespective of the rifle it comes out of) that meets the requirements of the legislation is legal.
Whether or not it's sensible or ethical is a different question.

Cheers

Bruce

that does not say .20 cal is legal.

 

[A Guy Out West]

i just googled 204 ruger for deer hunting out of curiosity.
Came up with lots of hits for 204 ruger.com.
The general concensus there.......... Not for deer, just coyotes and smaller varmints.

bingo!

 

[cowsmart]

that does not say .20 cal is legal.

Yes it does....minimum 50gr bullet, minimum 1000ft/lbs, minimum 2450fps. It is legal...police Scotland have agreed its legal.

 

[cowsmart]

bingo!

If they made .20 cal legal for small to medium game hunting in those states how many would opt for it? I see on that site alot of hunters wanting more of a soft point option for less pelt damage.

 

[cowsmart]

I will look for and contact some custom bullet manufacturers, I have e-mailed some of the larger companies asking if they have anything in the pipeline, explaining that some pelt hunters, and the fact that the calibre is deer legal in the UK (well the best part it is), are looking for a 50gr soft point option, asked hornady for a SST type....

 

[mealiejimmy]

that does not say .20 cal is legal.

If it doesn't say it's illegal, then what offence can you be charged with if you shoot a roe in Scotland with a 204 using a 50gn bullet that has a muzzle velocity that is 2450 ft/sec or greater and a muzzle energy of 1000ftlbs or greater.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[straightpull6547]

If it doesn't say it's illegal, then what offence can you be charged with if you shoot a roe in Scotland with a 204 using a 50gn bullet that has a muzzle velocity that is 2450 ft/sec or greater and a muzzle energy of 1000ftlbs or greater.

Cheers

Bruce

Cruelty. Home office have determined minimum calibre as .222, the op said it is confirmed as legal. Show us please.

 

[cowsmart]

Cruelty. Home office have determined minimum calibre as .222, the op said it is confirmed as legal. Show us please.

It is legal.......

If you could get a 50gr in .17 (depleted uranium) then some of the 17's could be legal...no minimum calibre means no minimum calibre

 

[Oh6]

Home office have determined minimum calibre as .222 ...snip... Show us please.

So where does it state that .222 is the minimum legal calibre

 

[shakey jake]

Just to play devils advocate here but didnt richard prior( might have wrong name but the guy that was a roe deer expert) favour a 22 hornet for roe deer before the codes were written. If a hornet could kill deer in the past shouldnt a 204 be able to now?

 

[cowsmart]

HO guidelines also say recommended calibre for fox is minimum of .17 hornet...so all you with 17hmr tough luck lol....they are guidelines not LAW

 

[cowsmart]

Just to play devils advocate here but didnt richard prior( might have wrong name but the guy that was a roe deer expert) favour a 22 hornet for roe deer before the codes were written. If a hornet could kill deer in the past shouldnt a 204 be able to now?

be careful lol...my corner is nearly full....

edit wasn't richard prior an actor in the 80's 'see no evil hear no evil lol'

 

[Ranger22]

I think that a 50gr Brass/Copper bullet with a high BC would be too long to stabilise even in a fast twist barrel.

I've just had a look at GS website and they do a 34gr HV bullet - you'd need to add about 6mm of cylindrical section to the bullet to make it 50gr which would be a 23mm long bullet - not sure how that compares with the LR Berger bullet lengths.

GS CUSTOM USA - Bullet Technical Profile

GS Custom or another manufacturer would possibly make them for you.

yep that's quite long, may pose a problem right enough

 

[cowsmart]

yep that's quite long, may pose a problem right enough

granted its a .224 Cal but the 75gr Amax just measured one at 28.37mm long..shoot great in my 1:9 twist .22-250

 

[straightpull6547]

I'm phoning your firearms office tomorrow.

 

[Ranger22]

granted its a .224 Cal but the 75gr Amax just measured one at 28.37mm long..shoot great in my 1:9 twist .22-250

shame you couldn't get a max for the 204, that would be a devastating combo

 

[cowsmart]

I'm phoning your firearms office tomorrow.

why?

good luck..I can't get hold of my Firearms office....let me know how you get on ...

lets see how it will pan out......'hello'
'yes hello, someone in your area wants to shoot roe deer with a .204'
'do you have a name?'
'no, but its illegal'
'what do you want us to do about it?'
'arrest him'
'what for'
'cruelty'
'sir are you on drugs?'
'no I shoot an air rifle!'
'do you have a licence?'
'no Im from Bristol'
'Ah,that explains it sir..have a good day'

 

[straightpull6547]

I'm going to get it from the horses mouth why they are granting .204 for roe. Then we will know, wont we

 

[cowsmart]

I'm going to get it from the horses mouth why they are granting .204 for roe. Then we will know, wont we

your like a terrier with a rat....IT IS LEGAL....drop it..jeeeeesh

 

[Ranger22]

105 A max next to a brass bullet, unsure of the weight but a bit longer than the Amax. Both 243/6mm