Federal Trophy Copper Red Hind experience

[FONT=&amp]I used federal trophy copper 165 grain 300 win mag on a few days at the red and sika hinds. We shot a total of 6 red and 1 sika. 50 to 250 meters. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]I was impressed with the outcome. I think the calibre/bullet combo is about perfect for the reds - especially on the hill where shot distance is varied. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]The entrance and exit holes were always pretty neat with little meat damage. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]The guts/lungs were not “exploded” like a conventional lead bullet - but rather very neatly cut which lead to quickly bled out beasts. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]To try and put it another way - with lead it Is like hitting an animal with a bludgeon, and with copper it is like shooting it with a large arrow head. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]The animals didn’t react the same. There was less shock - more a confusion then keeling over.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]It will take a good few more animals and experience before getting a more full picture - but based on this limited experience - i’m a convert.[/FONT]

 

[Selous]

If you were to reduce bullet weight to 150g or even 130g instead of 165 I suspect you would see better performance in terms of better shock with no additional meat damage. I have done this with the 7mm Rem mag and found performance much better with 120g TTSX than the 140g TSX.

 

[SDC7x57]

I'm using hand loaded 130g Fox (copper/zinc alloy, if memory serves) non-lead bullets in my 7x57. MV is around 2850. I'm seeing greatly improved results with these over conventional lead in terms of meat damage. Also seeing very similar impact reactions - usually a very short dash, then over they go. However, any shots which have taken the pipework off the top of the heart have resulted in immediate collapse. Very pleased so far!!

 

[McKenzie]

I'm using hand loaded 130g Fox (copper/zinc alloy, if memory serves) non-lead bullets in my 7x57. MV is around 2850. I'm seeing greatly improved results with these over conventional lead in terms of meat damage. Also seeing very similar impact reactions - usually a very short dash, then over they go. However, any shots which have taken the pipework off the top of the heart have resulted in immediate collapse. Very pleased so far!!

Can I ask if you have taken a shoulder shot with this ammo (7x57 130g Fox), especially on roe?

 

[NigelM]

I did quite a lot of experimenting a few years back with Barnes 120 TTSX at 3400 fps and 145 LRX at 3150 fps in a 280ai. I found with both bullets that they held together exceptionally well retaining 99% of their weight on the milk bottle tests, penetration was exceptional as well. I got a very high proportion of bang flops, much higher than the heavier, slower lead bullets I had been using which I put down to velocity. Overall they both performed very well.

Despite the velocity bruising and meat damage was surprisingly low, much less than a NBT, SST or even a ProHunter at 2900 fps.

If you are launching them fast enough they perform equally well or better than lead bullets. If you push them too slowly or shoot them over too long a range I suspect they don't expand well which has resulted in their poor reputation amongst some shooters. Launch at 3000 fps plus and don't shoot further than about 250 meters and they are very good. Don't try a 180 grain in a 308 Win or attempt to shoot 600 meter goats in NZ.

 

[Rasputin]

I use them in my .270 at 130 gr absolutely deadly accurate but I am afraid for me they are just nowhere near as humane as lead even though they were dealty accurate. I posted in another thread about it on stags and knobbers and found them wanting but they were ok with diminutive roe just punched holes straight through them like they had been lanced, so glad someone actually likes non toxic.

 

[Dexter]

I use them in my .270 at 130 gr absolutely deadly accurate but I am afraid for me they are just nowhere near as humane as lead even though they were dealty accurate. I posted in another thread about it on stags and knobbers and found them wanting but they were ok with diminutive roe just punched holes straight through them like they had been lanced, so glad someone actually likes non toxic.

I have used them on munties and hate them. Tried 130 and 150 grain TSXs through my 308. The mess on a chest shot munty at mostly close range ish is terrible. Wish I hadn't bothered loading 50 of them but am now looking to try something else non lead as that's what some of my land owners wants. Any suggestions?

 

[Paul 600]

I have used them on munties and hate them. Tried 130 and 150 grain TSXs through my 308. The mess on a chest shot munty at mostly close range ish is terrible. Wish I hadn't bothered loading 50 of them but am now looking to try something else non lead as that's what some of my land owners wants. Any suggestions?

Barnes are a very good bullet. I've never had a problem with them. I would also like to try Hasler Ariet. I haven't reloaded in ages though but both the above bullets would be my choice if I were to reload.

 

[Rasputin]

I have used them on munties and hate them. Tried 130 and 150 grain TSXs through my 308. The mess on a chest shot munty at mostly close range ish is terrible. Wish I hadn't bothered loading 50 of them but am now looking to try something else non lead as that's what some of my land owners wants. Any suggestions?

Honestly I went back to lead the Hornady ELD x are copper jacketd but far superior imho to non toxic. I know its not the same but even shooting wildfowl with non toxics is a total **** show so I have a natural hatred of them now after giving them a fair crack.

 

[stalkerboydy]

Honestly I went back to lead the Hornady ELD x are copper jacketd but far superior imho to non toxic. I know its not the same but even shooting wildfowl with non toxics is a total **** show so I have a natural hatred of them now after giving them a fair crack.

Using Barnes 120gr TTSX or 127gr LRX from a 6.5x55 I've shot close Muntjac to 250yrd Big Fallow very accurate animals down very quickly with ribs shots ( heart ) probably best projectile I've ever used.
As for Wildfowling Steel shot kills well and at range use Hevi-Shot - PWS or HW13 and it takes it to another level Foreshore or Inland also a very high percentage using a 20ga

 

[Rasputin]

Using Barnes 120gr TTSX or 127gr LRX from a 6.5x55 I've shot close Muntjac to 250yrd Big Fallow very accurate animals down very quickly with ribs shots ( heart ) probably best projectile I've ever used.
As for Wildfowling Steel shot kills well and at range use Hevi-Shot - PWS or HW13 and it takes it to another level Foreshore or Inland also a very high percentage using a 20ga

I totally disagree Steel shot does not kill well at all compared to lead. It’s just too hard and punches holes straight through part of the reason I don’t shoot driven duck anymore seeing the amount of cripples sickens me. Anyways it’s a moot point to discuss because that’s the law and that’s the end of it.

 

[stalkerboydy]

I totally disagree Steel shot does not kill well at all compared to lead. It’s just too hard and punches holes straight through part of the reason I don’t shoot driven duck anymore seeing the amount of cripples sickens me. Anyways it’s a moot point to discuss because that’s the law and that’s the end of it.

You are entitled to your opinion which i duly respect BUT so many times i hear Steel shot is rubbish etc I've along with many other fowler's shot hundreds upon hundreds of Duck an Geese with steel shot in fact 5 Pinks off the foreshore using 36grm Steel 2's and 3's in to flights last week. As for cripples that ain't been hit right also lead cripples just as many birds Fact again not hit right or shot at out of range Apologies to OP for taking thread off track