EU Withdrawal Agreement....

[LeftHandGuy]

We fought WWI because King Edward VII had a penchant for high class French whores and his meddling in foreign policy saddled us in an alliance with France a nation that since the last two centuries at least had been...unlike Prussia and then Germany...Britain's traditional enemy.

Think you'll find it was because we had a treaty with Belgium - coupled with an anxiety about a potential German threat to the Royal Navy. More or less agree with you about the Second World War outcome. Not sure I can agree that the USA's primary foreign policy objective was to bankrupt the British Empire. They've had some anti-imperialist rumblings from time to time, but mostly have been interesting in boosting prosperity...

Anyway, I think it's also worth pointing out that war's aren't only ever "about" the issue that brings one or more participant into them. Sure Poland was the casus belli if you want to put it that way, but the war became about defeating Nazi Germany, and the defeat of Nazi Germany was and remains probably the UK's greatest contribution to the human race despite the shameful abandonment of Poland at the end of it (a subject about which I have strong feelings and a familial connection).

 

[Cottis]

First the legal ramifications, there are none, just up and go, anyone who wants to leave can, any immigrants not working and paying tax get slung out.
We no longer offer hand outs to immigrants, we no longer threat them on the NHS, those in prison get slung out and deported, we bill their country for the costs.
We go back to trading with the rest of the world as we did before the common market, if we can actually remember how to make anything.

As for not understanding, try this, if you dont understand, please feel free to leave as well.
We fought two world was to free europe from oppression, we won, just in case there was a doubt. I and thousands of others voted out because we want one rule again.
No other reason, dont care about the financial problems we have been threatened with as they are at best a guess, nobody actually knows.
Our (un)elected traitors in charge are after one thing only, getting as much cash as possible for as little actual progress as possible.

Neil.

You sound very angry which is unfortunate. I do understand and I don't want to leave my country. I like it here how it is and I have no doubt I will like it if/when things change. I am not angry or irate, I would use a word more like sympathetic. I feel a bit of sympathy for many who will lose out.

There are not necessarily legal ramifications if we fail to accept our social responsibility to future relations with a wide variety of cultures and countries. Article 50 overrides the ancient treaty laws as far as I can tell, so I have no doubt any challenge to prise "leave" money from us could potentially be fought with success. The social and therefore financial fallout and impact from such a childish act would be felt brutally I fear.

It seems like the kid picking up his football and walking off with it because he is not getting his own way. That in itself could work in the literal sense. But how would the rest of the world take that? You might say "I don't care" which is also fine for you but the results of such actions will have repercussions. We do not make much anymore. We do not farm enough anymore. We are not creators like we used to be. We are good at service industries. We are good at science and engineering but in terms of actually living and the basics of what we need, we would be held over a barrel spanked for our insolence and rightly so.

It sure is a difficult situation and one that no politician can really win. Staying is against the vote. Hard brexit is financial/social suicide. Something in the middle is not really desirable either.

It will definitely be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully it is as painless as possible for as many people as possible.

 

[User00025]

Actually we fought WWII to prevent Poland becoming the vassal state of a larger totalitarian state foreign power after we'd allowed same that fate to befall Czechoslovakia. WWII ended, six years later, Britain bankrupted and half a million of our people dead, with Poland (and Czechoslovakia) effectively having become the vassal state of a (different) larger totalitarian state foreign power.

We fought WWI because King Edward VII had a penchant for high class French whores and his meddling in foreign policy saddled us in an alliance with France a nation that since the last two centuries at least had been...unlike Prussia and then Germany...Britain's traditional enemy.

Making in both conflicts an alliance with America...another country whose main foreign policy aim was and always has been the financial and political demise of the British Empire. If you doubt any of that Google "Suez Crisis 1956".

Whatever the reason, we fought, it cost us in human life and finance. The people we fought have ascended and are looking for an big army. I do not trust them one bit.

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

In a post a couple of weeks ago i mentioned 100 square miles of plastic,its in Morocco ,but it belongs to Spain, Cuetta it is run and looked after by north africans all fleeing from persecution and starvation,its the place every ones fruit and veg comes from in europe ,every single beach and port around the med are being swamped with people and now they are all saying enough,s enough can someone else take some and imho i think the eu wants us to take a large chunk of them because there are literally thousands a day leaving africa plus other countries and they are all chasing a dream,one in a million might make it, europe france spain italy greece guess what the favourite one of all is when they are asked GB because they think or know we are a soft touch. god help us all if this carrys on ,and at the end of the day its politicians/governments that are causing it not ordinary people from all over this spinning lump of rock. out means out deal with it.

 

[bowji john]

A Banker is now in charge of brexit

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[oowee]

When i read these posts I realise that there is truly a parallel reality out there. There are so many who do not have the slightest idea of how the world in which we all live works. The UK is simply a small cog in a large machine that rely's on the the components around it to function. Cutting ourselves off from the world is not an option, even for those that clearly cannot keep up with the pace of change.

 

[deeangeo]

A Banker is now in charge of brexit

What could possibly go wrong?

Would that be Merchant Banker!

 

[Roro]

When i read these posts I realise that there is truly a parallel reality out there. There are so many who do not have the slightest idea of how the world in which we all live works. The UK is simply a small cog in a large machine that rely's on the the components around it to function. Cutting ourselves off from the world is not an option, even for those that clearly cannot keep up with the pace of change.

Which is why the eec was a good thing. Not the eu which is going to wind up a one government super state with one currency, one army, one parliament, one leader (german of course). "Ever closer union" ? Does no one actually cop on to what that means ?

 

[oowee]

Which is why the eec was a good thing. Not the eu which is going to wind up a one government super state with one currency, one army, one parliament, one leader (german of course). "Ever closer union" ? Does no one actually cop on to what that means ?

Only if the members agree.

 

[Freeforester]

Worth considering....

 

[Roro]

Only if the members agree.

Quite a few member states agree without the consent of their electorate. Our pm in ireland said of the lisbon treaty, " i have not read it, don't understand it, but we have to vote yes to it". I voted no, twice.

 

[VSS]

Do you know what the name is for this dog pill ?

I will ask my sister. She's a small animal vet.

 

[JTO]

We fought WWI because King Edward VII had a penchant for high class French whores .

He also had a liking for poor village maids in Abbotsbury when shooting as a guest in his teens. "They girls reckoned it were an honour to lay wi' he".

 

[defender]

Nope! In a democracy the majority vote takes it.
So the vote in favour of OUT means OUT so, OUT is what the government must deliver.
No half measures.
And, no Maybe about it.

The majority are opposed to hunting, does that mean that this is what the government must deliver and that we can no longer enter the debate?

 

[Roro]

The majority are opposed to hunting, does that mean that this is what the government must deliver and that we can no longer enter the debate?

If it was forced to a referendum, then yes.

 

[landkeeper]

Only if the members agree.

Or keep being asked to vote on things until they give the right answer just look at thedebarcle that was the lisbon treaty referendum in ROI

 

[Roro]

Or keep being asked to vote on things until they give the right answer just look at thedebarcle that was the lisbon treaty referendum in ROI

And the nice treaty. We were told there would not be an eu army, so what have macron and merkel been on about for the last week ? Yes, setting up an eu army

 

[landkeeper]

Its all a crock of sh1te anyway , all this fluster and bluster about hard or soft border or none with Roi ,whats going to happen with NI when the little cranky one gets her way and theres another independance vote in scotland and they apply to remain (cough) or reapply to join the eu lol will there be a hard or soft or none then at gretna.
syrian refugees (cough again) arriving in northern ireland now getting £600 pm houses in affluent areas buckshee and interpreters attending home visits who have driven 3 hrs for a 15 minute assesment paid for by the taxpayer

 

[landkeeper]

And the nice treaty. We were told there would not be an eu army, so what have macron and merkel been on about for the last week ? Yes, setting up an eu army

mmmmmm that'll be good with a neutral Roi contigent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[alberta boy]

Hey Steve - are you still in the UK at the moment? I feel somewhat similar - since I decided to leave the UK nearly 3 years ago now, kinda not my place to comment too much either way - but it's a shame right?

Everyone is at each others' throat and it isn't going to help the country prosper after crunch-day. The Leavers need to understand and accept that a lot of what they were told was overblown and that the country is going to have a pretty grim short-term ride, the Remainers need to accept that they lost and make the very best of what is coming. I never thought I'd be the one advocating this, but a bit of genuine self sacrificing patriotism is now required. From everyone.

Good luck!

I believe you're right brother . I will say one thing , the EU army being proposed has raised a few eyebrows in Canada . A lot of Canadians gave their lives dealing with that mentality during two world wars , we're a bit sensitive about that .
As to where I'm at , I'm up on the Thai , Myanmar , Laos border at the moment watching the Mae Kong river go by . Myanmar , another good reason to thank god you live in a civilized country , any civilized country . Have a good day everyone .

AB