EU Withdrawal Agreement....

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Hayduke said:
This is appropriate!

The b word is boring chaps, lets go for a full blown thread DERAIL and talk about real stuff like hunting and dogs.

Hayduke
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oh you mean until there's nothing but forum content that suits your needs/wants, just like the losers of the referendum , just keep whining until you get the result you want, if you don't like the content of this section just ignore it and move to one that suits your topic more suitably, not hard is it?
 
jimmy milnes said:
Yes we are all a good bit wiser now than two years ago, but who's fault is that ? Both sides of the line !
I voted out and I've never made it a secret, I would vote exactly the same today.
Do I blame the EU entirely for the spineless sh1t shambles this country has become ''in my opinion'' No I do not but they certainly have a disproportionate amount of blame.
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I go along with some of that as well. This country has always retained enough autonomy to make a dogs dinner of whatever it wishes. That will continue to be the case. I don't think you or I or the next person in the street is at fault. The campaigns that backed either side of the vote failed miserably in their remit to furnish the voters with absolute truths and facts. Most of which they almost certainly had a good feel for. After all, they are tasked with the guardianship of our country. Then you have dissent within parties which helps not. You then have that prat Corbyn representing a party that theoretically is pushing more to the left but seems to oppose the retention of our accord with Europe (or certainly Corbyn seems to think that way) Labour made a pigs ear of trying to raise support for staying. Nor did they really advocate leaving. Everyone was just rubbish at their jobs. It is simply impossible to vote confidently for a party at present IMO. It seems to permanently be voting for the best of a bad bunch and that is tiring.

The issues we currently have will remain whether we stay, leave or go with the weird middle ground deal that has been brokered.

I voted remain but not for me. The leave vote would benefit me massively as individual as my work tends to fly when economic problems hit. I don't have children and I am cash rich rather than asset rich. This is not about me though. It is not about any individual. It is about what the best balance will be for now, next year and for the coming decades. I just thought that inclusion, togetherness and opportunity to remain as charitable as this country is, would be in the grand scheme of things, a better option for the country and for Europe. I suppose I kind of see it as a more 3 dimensional vote. I don't know it is right but I feel it is right.

I certainly do not think the country will fall flat on its face forever and a day. It will recover, not because Brexit will cane it but because we are close to being on our knees already through financial and social mismanagement. I do think Brexit will accelerate that though and reduce the chance to put the wrongs right, but in a more controlled manner.
 
It's being reported Sir Graham Brady has at least 48 letters and more probables, the next 48hrs could be interesting. If indeed it's factual.
 
^^ passive aggressive haha, never in my life. You're the one b...Ching like a school girl.

Just tying to brighten up this tedium.

This thread is dull , dull , dull
 
Hayduke said:
This is appropriate!

The b word is boring chaps, lets go for a full blown thread DERAIL and talk about real stuff like hunting and dogs.

Hayduke
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Hayduke, why ? Its only one thread out of hundreds, if you do not want to talk about brexit, europe etc, there are scores of active threads open to talk on. I do not understand what you are trying to do frankly.
 
alberta boy said:
Normally , I avoid any political discussions on SD . Mostly because it's none of my business , this also applies to American politics and politicians . To be honest , this post isn't about British politicians , it's about the contents of this thread .
I'm exposed to a lot of US media coverage , which as most of you know , is far from impartial , right or left . What I've noticed is that the UK media , and posters on this thread , have now gone down the same path . That , I find disturbing . The middle ground , remember that place , ( where people actually discussed things objectively ? ) has disappeared . Don't get me wrong , I'm reffering to everyone , left and right , so you can all flame me if you want . After reading through 7! pages I've come to the conclusion that either the world is going to end ............ or it might be a good thing . In short ........ have a nice day ........... at least you're not starving in the streets of some third world country . See , it's getting better already .

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Hey Steve - are you still in the UK at the moment? I feel somewhat similar - since I decided to leave the UK nearly 3 years ago now, kinda not my place to comment too much either way - but it's a shame right?

Everyone is at each others' throat and it isn't going to help the country prosper after crunch-day. The Leavers need to understand and accept that a lot of what they were told was overblown and that the country is going to have a pretty grim short-term ride, the Remainers need to accept that they lost and make the very best of what is coming. I never thought I'd be the one advocating this, but a bit of genuine self sacrificing patriotism is now required. From everyone.

Good luck!
 
Cottis said:
when we do not fully understand the legal ramifications of leaving.
That be the legal and financial heartache attached to such a kneejerk vote result.
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First the legal ramifications, there are none, just up and go, anyone who wants to leave can, any immigrants not working and paying tax get slung out.
We no longer offer hand outs to immigrants, we no longer threat them on the NHS, those in prison get slung out and deported, we bill their country for the costs.
We go back to trading with the rest of the world as we did before the common market, if we can actually remember how to make anything.

As for not understanding, try this, if you dont understand, please feel free to leave as well.
We fought two world was to free europe from oppression, we won, just in case there was a doubt. I and thousands of others voted out because we want one rule again.
No other reason, dont care about the financial problems we have been threatened with as they are at best a guess, nobody actually knows.
Our (un)elected traitors in charge are after one thing only, getting as much cash as possible for as little actual progress as possible.

Neil.
 
Chasey said:
Seriously every single lerned person from the business sector, manufacturing, construction and finance has said a no deal hard exit would be a disaster. How on earth can you say nobody knows?
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They are not 'lerned' they just want to protect what they have earned on the back of other peoples sweat.
I say we don't know, and that it is all guess work because that is all it is, nobody knows, its not been done before and as yet it hasn't happened.

Also note I really don't give a stuff about the finances, I don't care if the rich end up poor, I just want home rule (and no chunnel)
The only thing that is certain is if we carry on as we are the rich will get richer and poor will get poorer. The other thing of course
that those with nothing can't really end up any worse off.
 
theres the crux the leavers voted the way they did,including me, because we have had enough ,we dont care if things get screwed up,they allready are!!.the remainers want in because they dont want to upset the euro apple cart, but as in life things change sometimes for the better,and at the minute in uk its not all sweetness and light.the politicians left right or center libs/lab/con/or others dont give a flying football as long as they get some power and money and move on.don,t forget parliament is like a school playground ,and most of them should still be in it!
 
We fought two world was to free europe from oppression, we won, just in case there was a doubt.
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Actually we fought WWII to prevent Poland becoming the vassal state of a larger totalitarian state foreign power after we'd allowed same that fate to befall Czechoslovakia. WWII ended, six years later, Britain bankrupted and half a million of our people dead, with Poland (and Czechoslovakia) effectively having become the vassal state of a (different) larger totalitarian state foreign power.

We fought WWI because King Edward VII had a penchant for high class French whores and his meddling in foreign policy saddled us in an alliance with France a nation that since the last two centuries at least had been...unlike Prussia and then Germany...Britain's traditional enemy.

Making in both conflicts an alliance with America...another country whose main foreign policy aim was and always has been the financial and political demise of the British Empire. If you doubt any of that Google "Suez Crisis 1956".
 
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