So . . . .

[Freeforester]

For an insight to EU-ropean-style democracy, go google how (PRO-EU broadsheet) Financial Times described the EU's own complaints watchdog's investigation into Martin Selmayr's ('democratic-lite') elevation by his cronies and boss, commisioner J-C Drunkard, quite an interesting read, lol! Also available under 'Martin Selmayr'

 

[enfieldspares]

I note that given the now current debacle in the USA with Trump and the US Stock Market that Fat Johnson, Rees-Mogg, the Two Faced Cod Faced Gove and Liam "Werrity" Fox are all strangely silent about a UK-US trade deal.

I like Americans but never forget...for those that keep mentioning Germany and WWII in the context of the EU that the US insisted everything sent to us was paid for in gold. And that only after that agreed to Lend Lease and that we were virtually the only nation they didn't write that debt off after WWII.

We paid the last repayment in about 2006. So regardless of how anyone voted anyone that thinks the US will give us "special terms" in a trade deal because there's some sort of "special relationship" has straw for brains.

 

[mchughcb]

Hard Brexit time.

 

[enfieldspares]

It is a little known fact that George Galloway is Santa Claus. The evidence? Apart from them being small, round, bearded, jolly fellows? Well, you've never seen them together have you...thanks for the video MCHUGHCB. I found Galloway's views interesting. Farage...usual remarks about law made by a "bunch of old men that are un-elected that you can't remove"...and every time he says it I think he's talking about our House of Lords. As I've always voted for who gets to be an MEP. But I've never voted for who gets to be a member of the House of Lords.

 

[Hornet 6]

We have freedom thanks to the EU and as shown above our venerated leaders of the war era saw our future freedom as being inexorably linked to the EU

So your happy to be ruled by the eu, and to accept the 'freedom' that gives us, the freedom to do exactly what a bunch of foreigners tell us we can do, and nothing else.
That is not freedom, certainly not as its understood here in the Uk.
If it suits you though, please feel free to go and live in Germany with Olaf

Neil.

 

[enfieldspares]

Hornet I'll ask this. What actual, real, meaningful "freedom" have I got? The freedom to live permanently or work in the USA? In Australia? Or elsewhere that we'll be doing supposed Free Trade deals with? The only, sole, meaningful freedom you or I actually directly have is to choose my weekly lottery numbers and, if I wish, live permanently or work in the other EU Member States. On mere production of my passport.

I don't do trade deals, nor import goods on a commercial basis, nor deal in financial services. I'm a mug punter and that...as Rees-Mogg says...I'll be paying less for tropical fruit...kumquats and avocado...after Brexit I couldn't care less about. Be sure that anyone that thinks Farage has seen you or I as anything other than electoral fodder to get him a 78K per annum EU pension is fooling themselves.

I also know is that the European Court for all it faults also protected my rights in terms of employment and consumer rights against a succession of UK Governments...usually the friends and forbears of the same Rees-Mogg that would seek to take them away if it could in order to give tax breaks to spivs or use my taxpayer's money...usually friends and forbears of Corbyn...to obsolete UK industries.

And to be equally tongue in cheek if it suits you though, please feel free to go an live in the People's Republic of Jeremy's Camden or run through the fields of standing corn with Theresa scattering banknotes of British taxpayers money, like confetti, over Arlene Foster. Me? No I'd rather have my freedom not to be "in hock" or in thrall to either Sinn Fein or the DUP. And that freedom, for me, is with the UK in the EU.

 

[JTO]

Hornet 6, don't waste your time!

 

[User00025]

Hornet I'll ask this. What actual, real, meaningful "freedom" have I got? The freedom to live permanently or work in the USA? In Australia? Or elsewhere that we'll be doing supposed Free Trade deals with? The only, sole, meaningful freedom you or I actually directly have is to choose my weekly lottery numbers and, if I wish, live permanently or work in the other EU Member States. On mere production of my passport.

I don't do trade deals, nor import goods on a commercial basis, nor deal in financial services. I'm a mug punter and that...as Rees-Mogg says...I'll be paying less for tropical fruit...kumquats and avocado...after Brexit I couldn't care less about. Be sure that anyone that thinks Farage has seen you or I as anything other than electoral fodder to get him a 78K per annum EU pension is fooling themselves.

I also know is that the European Court for all it faults also protected my rights in terms of employment and consumer rights against a succession of UK Governments...usually the friends and forbears of the same Rees-Mogg that would seek to take them away if it could in order to give tax breaks to spivs or use my taxpayer's money...usually friends and forbears of Corbyn...to obsolete UK industries.

And to be equally tongue in cheek if it suits you though, please feel free to go an live in the People's Republic of Jeremy's Camden or run through the fields of standing corn with Theresa scattering banknotes of British taxpayers money, like confetti, over Arlene Foster. Me? No I'd rather have my freedom not to be "in hock" or in thrall to either Sinn Fein or the DUP. And that freedom, for me, is with the UK in the EU.

Sorry me old pal but it's that 78k pension to MEPs that gets up my snotbox. I would only give an MP or MEP the same pension as me and only after 50yrs paying in.
£165 a week. So out the barstewards now.

 

[mchughcb]

Seems to me that unfetted immigration and associated welfare and national security issues for essentially non europeans has dropped off the discussion. No amount of poor trade deals will ever make up for providing for millions of extra people to do nothing but live on welfare. As paraphrased by the American economist no state can have open borders with welfare for everyone or it will go broke.

 

[bowji john]

Seems to me that unfettered immigration and associated welfare and national security issues for essentially non europeans has dropped off the discussion. No amount of poor trade deals will ever make up for providing for millions of extra people to do nothing but live on welfare. As paraphrased by the American economist no state can have open borders with welfare for everyone or it will go broke.

You would think that this last statement was so obvious that it does not require being said

Apparently not for the Socialists nor the EU Commit- Bureau

Watching that video of Farage laying into the EU parliament is perhaps the most revealing of all

There was no hostility to what he was saying - just total lack of comprehension - they just don't understand.

I came upon this bovine behavior in business - there are legions of these 'waste of spaces' that do nothing but inhabit committees that migrate from country to country saying nothing

They don't even talk cr*p - for to call their utterances cr*p would be to put a positive spin on their efforts

Is this the future of nations?

To be subjugated by a bunch of tossers with nothing to offer but bovine mooing?

No !

Enough !

Merry Christmas - I wish you a happy EU free new year

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I have met a lot of British Kentish born "ethnic white" slobs around the Dover area that have been troughing up state benefits since they left their schools and they all come up with some lame excuse (in the pub!!) for not having ever lifting a finger but they can afford to live in flats paid by the state and do booze fags and funny baccy & flash phones.
Now I have not yet met an immigrant down here living on the same gravy train but see a lot of them about the town usually doing nails or washing cars or cutting hair etc.
Just to put a balance on how f~~ked up our system is.
Anyway as it it the season of goodwill. Have a good one.
BB

 

[Olaf]

So your happy to be ruled by the eu, and to accept the 'freedom' that gives us, the freedom to do exactly what a bunch of foreigners tell us we can do, and nothing else.
That is not freedom, certainly not as its understood here in the Uk.
If it suits you though, please feel free to go and live in Germany with Olaf

Neil.

Could you please name one freedom that the uk is not allowed owing to our Eu membership ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Woodsmoke]

name one freedom that the uk is not allowed owing to our Eu membership ?

The right to straight bananas?

 

[enfieldspares]

Oh dear Olaf. That's an own goal. If you don't understand that you don't understand Britain.

The freedom to say who does and who doesn't have the right to live and work here. That and the straight bananas of course.

And as a British Citizen married to a Nigerian I resent the fact that Commonwealth Citizens have less rights to come here than do EU Citizens. These are the heirs of people who in two World Wars fought and died for Britain. Now that may be because the UK in its wisdom doesn't choose to allow non-EU nationals the same immigration rights that it is obliged to allow EU Citizens but it is nevertheless a fact.

It is a condition of being in the EU that EU Citizens do have greater immigration rights and that the more restrictive UK Immigration Law applied to everyone else, historically bar Irish Citizens, is not allowed to be applied to EU Citizens. So when the Government announces that it is going to reduce immigration? Who gets the lash of the whip? Not EU Citizens as any new law won't be allowed to affect them but everybody else and, yes, that everybody else includes Commonwealth Citizens.

There's a Burma Star Road in Benin City where my wife comes from. I doubt there's one in Budapest. Google it. Burma Star. Yet Roumanian gypsies have more immigration rights here than do English speaking Commonwealth Citizens whose forefathers and grandfathers, as volunteers mostly, fought and died for my country. Come and die for Britain yet when your heirs come here they'll be turned away at the border? Lest We Forget?

 

[Olaf]

Oh dear Olaf. That's an own goal. If you don't understand that you don't understand Britain.

The freedom to say who does and who doesn't have the right to live and work here. That and the straight bananas of course.

And as a British Citizen married to a Nigerian I resent the fact that Commonwealth Citizens have less rights to come here than do EU Citizens. These are the heirs of people who in two World Wars fought and died for Britain. Now that may be because the UK in its wisdom doesn't choose to allow non-EU nationals the same immigration rights that it is obliged to allow EU Citizens but it is nevertheless a fact.

It is a condition of being in the EU that EU Citizens do have greater immigration rights and that the more restrictive UK Immigration Law applied to everyone else, historically bar Irish Citizens, is not allowed to be applied to EU Citizens. So when the Government announces that it is going to reduce immigration? Who gets the lash of the whip? Not EU Citizens as any new law won't be allowed to affect them but everybody else and, yes, that everybody else includes Commonwealth Citizens.

There's a Burma Star Road in Benin City where my wife comes from. I doubt there's one in Budapest. Google it. Burma Star. Yet Roumanian gypsies have more immigration rights here than do English speaking Commonwealth Citizens whose forefathers and grandfathers, as volunteers mostly, fought and died for my country. Come and die for Britain yet when your heirs come here they'll be turned away at the border? Lest We Forget?

There is nothing stopping our government from allowing for more non EU citizens from coming to the UK , they Chose not to. There is also nothing that prevents our Government from sending EU citizens back to their own country if they are not paying their way. It’s our government that chooses not to.

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Olaf]

The right to straight bananas?

Hah ha ! Very funny. I can assure you that if you import bananas then there is nothing that prevents you from buying straight bananas.
But seriously, I’m genuinely interested to know what freedom the EU prevents you from having? That’s not a trick question, I’m genuinely interested to know what it is ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[JTO]

Noman Tebbit(I think) suggested the 'cricket test' for patriotism, i.e. did you root for England when they were playing another country.
As far as the EU is concerned, I suggest the 'Blake's Seven test'. When you watched it, who were you rooting for? Blake's, or 'The Federation'?

 

[finnbear270]

Hah ha ! Very funny. I can assure you that if you import bananas then there is nothing that prevents you from buying straight bananas.
But seriously, I’m genuinely interested to know what freedom the EU prevents you from having? That’s not a trick question, I’m genuinely interested to know what it is ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

The freedom to decide our own path, and chuck out undesireables, without having to ask permission first.

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

At the minute they are preventing me from telling my missus,thank fook we got out of that pile of shite! pity we didn,t do it sooner.

 

[Woodsmoke]

I’m genuinely interested to know what freedom the EU prevents you from having? That’s not a trick question, I’m genuinely interested to know what it is

I actually have no axe to grind as far as as that's concerned, to be perfectly honest. I do, however, feel that the UK needs to once again become a stand-alone country in its own right once more. The UK was a major factor in overthrowing Axis forces during the last World War, and was a global leader in industry for decades. 'Made in Britain' was once a byword for quality and innovation, and the entire country held the respect of the globe. I have no idea if there's any way the UK can return to those days, (in fact I really have my doubts), but for me the first step in the journey has to be independence from the European nanny state. Not from some misguided and ill-informed patriotic standpoint, but from the position of allowing the UK far more autonomy over it's own affairs without interference. The EU wants a 'one-size-fits-all' solution, and I think we've seen that just doesn't work for the UK over the last decades