So . . . .

[mchughcb]

I think the EU is fundamentally flawed in both philosophy and construction.

It comprises countries and cultures have hated each other over the last 1000 years

I have no idea how the USA managed to unite 50 states under one political umbrella but the EU ain't gonna replicate it

The founders of the USA understood government and (like the UK) ensured that there were institutions set up in opposition to each other so that no one entity could have total control

The EU is based around centralised control

This is NOT something we should be part of

Because they had a civil war.

 

[enfieldspares]

Because they had a civil war.

What else has the past history of Western Europe been but a five hundred year European Civil War into which Britain, in blood and gold, has all too often has been drawn into. Because we have had no other sensible political option but to be. If the cost of finally bringing an end to that unhappy half a millennium is the EU with all its faults the price is cheap.

 

[Roro]

There were trade routs yes. East India Company etc etc. but you as a single human didn't buy something from India and have it delivered to your door a week later.

Still don't, india makes nothing but rubbish, i learned that the hard way buying tools and classic bike bits that turned out to be made there.

I would rather pay more, often multiples, to buy british/european or american made stuff. You get what you pay for in this world. You pay for internet tat, you get internet tat.

 

[enfieldspares]

Our history, British history, has always been about prevent the domination of Western Europe by either the French or by those that speak the German languages...be they either Austrians, Prussians, Germans or Nazis...by withdrawal from the EU, by Brexit, we will hand on a platter the French and Germans that victory they have always wanted but never permanently achieved. Jean-Claude Juncker is a Luxembourger. Donald Tusk is a Pole. In each man's DNA will be a desperate hope, for the UK to stay in the UK to redress the otherwise European hegemony of France and/or Germany in Europe.

 

[enfieldspares]

Still don't, India makes nothing but rubbish, i learned that the hard way buying tools and classic bike bits that turned out to be made there.

Never seen an SMLE by Enfield, or a BSA, or the "Peddled Arms" Scheme, or a LSA or a Lithgow that needed "fettling". Very often saw an Ishapore that did!

 

[Roro]

Frankly the way things are panning out in France at the moment I think they have more problems on the horizon. As far as countries like Italy, Spain and Greece all of their economies are on the verge of going over the edge, and then we have Spain crying because they want Gibralter back. Not to mention other countries such as Turkey wanting in, which will cause even more issues with immigration.
Have a little faith in your country, GB has stood on its own many times before, and we are still here. The sky is not going to fall in, and the sun will still come up tomorrow.

Macron won the presidency of france even though he was unknown and had no party, which is fishy in itself, what makes it even more stinky is he is an ex-banker, and a puppet of the eu.

But the french have him sussed now and know what he is, which is why france seems to be on fire every weekend.

 

[Roro]

Never seen an SMLE by Enfield, or a BSA, or the "Peddled Arms" Scheme, or a LSA or a Lithgow that needed "fettling". Very often saw an Ishapore that did!

I believe london small arms enfields were often thought to be the best ones made.

 

[enfieldspares]

RORO the best of the best, LSA, BSA, "Peddled Arms Scheme" often marked SSA, were always the ones that were accepted for the UK Government Contract as they were gauged. I remember seeing the Webley day books. Many contract .455 Mark VI revolvers for the British Government with a note in the margin "rejected at view - sell as private". That means it had been rejected at Government inspection, or view as it was known, so was to be taken into Webley's stock for sale to private, or civilian gun trade, buyers.

 

[Roro]

RORO the best of the best, LSA, BSA, "Peddled Arms Scheme" often marked SSA, were always the ones that were accepted for the UK Government Contract as they were gauged. I remember seeing the Webley day books. Many contract .455 Mark VI revolvers for the British Government with a note in the margin "rejected at view - sell as private". That means it had been rejected at Government inspection, or view as it was known, so was to be taken into Webley's stock for sale to private, or civilian gun trade, buyers.

Where are the webley books now ? I have often wondered when my webley target revolver was made. Someone told me that as a "B" suffix numbered piece, it would be mid 1960's.

 

[bowji john]

Our history, British history, has always been about prevent the domination of Western Europe by either the French or by those that speak the German languages...be they either Austrians, Prussians, Germans or Nazis...by withdrawal from the EU, by Brexit, we will hand on a platter the French and Germans that victory they have always wanted but never permanently achieved. Jean-Claude Juncker is a Luxembourger. Donald Tusk is a Pole. In each man's DNA will be a desperate for the UK to stay in the UK to redress the otherwise European hegemony of France and/or Germany in Europe.

I like your reasoning - however i'd rather a dominant Germany with a scuttling France be their problem, not ours - at least I don't want the UK thrown into the cracking dam walls

I can see a collapsing banking system; a collapsing EU; a failure of the Med countries to pay their debts; an angry German people saying 'we paid for them' so surely we own them' and we will be back to the fisty cuffs of the last Century

I don't think we can stop it and I don't want to be any more a part of it than we must

I can see an angry, economically collapsing Germany turning to an angry economically collapsing Russia - an interventionist US pouring money and military into the Polish/Romanian corridor and the UK once again on the side of the US

History always repeats itself because Human nature never changes

I've borrowed heavily from others peoples ideas on the geo-political future of Europe- however their arguments make sense to me

 

[enfieldspares]

Certainly the Euro currency has been on a wider scale to nobody's industry's benefit but that of the Germans.

 

[Roro]

Apart from brexit, there is major trouble brewing within the eu, i can see it all ending in tears. The reason ? Imho, the push to become a federal state. Should have remained as a trade based union and left it as it was, the eec.

 

[bowji john]

Further more - I'm really sticking my neck out here -

I see it happening this year

 

[Olaf]

Norton Motorcycles lands £20 MILLION Japanese export deal. 200 UK jobs. 1,000 bikes. 5 years. - MoreBikes
Just the start for Norton and people keep saying we have nothing to offer but there are lots of stories like this and manufacturing is far from dead here, people need to get a grip and get on with leaving

I think that’s really great that The Japanese are going to order some British motorbikes.
It’s got nothing to do with Brexit though, it’s because the EU finalised a trade agreement with Japan just before Christmas. It had been in the pipes of discussion for several years.
A prime example of one of the main benefits of our EU membership.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Roro]

Further more - I'm really sticking my neck out here -

I see it happening this year

If the predictions for the european elections in may are to be believed, then yes trouble is just around the corner. If the eurosceptic parties get in, in large numbers, it will stop any further integration in its tracks.

 

[Roro]

I think that’s really great that The Japanese are going to order some British motorbikes.
It’s got nothing to do with Brexit though, it’s because the EU finalised a trade agreement with Japan just before Christmas. It had been in the pipes of discussion for several years.
A prime example of one of the main benefits of our EU membership.
Kindest regards, Olaf

You could buy Japanese motorcycles in the uk, since the late 50's, and British bikes were sold in Japan in the 1930's, how did this happen without the eu then ?

 

[bowji john]

If the predictions for the european elections in may are to be believed, then yes trouble is just around the corner. If the eurosceptic parties get in, in large numbers, it will stop any further integration in its tracks.

When you build a house of cards, you don't need a foundation card to fail, any card will bring the whole thing down

 

[B&W FOX]

I think that’s really great that The Japanese are going to order some British motorbikes.
It’s got nothing to do with Brexit though, it’s because the EU finalised a trade agreement with Japan just before Christmas. It had been in the pipes of discussion for several years.
A prime example of one of the main benefits of our EU membership.
Kindest regards, Olaf

200 bikes per year to a population the size of Japan is a bit like ****ing in the wind.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Had to pay a visit to Faversham today in pursuit of some elusive pistol primers and came across this at 11:30hrs:

I think you can just about make out the option part obscured!

K

 

[Roro]

Had to pay a visit to Faversham today in pursuit of some elusive pistol primers and came across this at 11:30hrs:

I think you can just about make out the option part obscured!

K

What the euro-flag in the background you mean ?