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[Klenchblaize]

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Olaf, you hold your views but so many of us believe entirely the opposite.
We view remaining in the EU to be more damaging and un-patriotic.

Our will to be free of the corruption, dictats, finacial delinquency and frankly ludicrous nonsense from Brussels and EU will ultimately prove to be the right decision.
You and other remainers need to get used to the simple fact we’re leaving the EU.
We’re leaving! - those who voted to leave the EU are the true patriotic population of our country.

That our inept politicians are making a complete horlicks of the move is another matter entirely.

I was with you on this until the emboldened.

There are still voters around who risked their life for this Country in the last war with Germany but still voted to stay in Europe. Wheather that stems from a desire to never see us revisit such horrors; a key driver of our joining the EEC, I don't honestly know but to suggest they are less patriotic for it is frankly unacceptable.

K

 

[Olaf]

Olaf, you hold your views but so many of us believe entirely the opposite.
We view remaining in the EU to be more damaging and un-patriotic.

Our will to be free of the corruption, dictats, finacial delinquency and frankly ludicrous nonsense from Brussels and EU will ultimately prove to be the right decision.
You and other remainers need to get used to the simple fact we’re leaving the EU.
We’re leaving! - those who voted to leave the EU are the true patriotic population of our country.

That our inept politicians are making a complete horlicks of the move is another matter entirely.

Yes, and the big difference between the leave and remain standpoints is that you can argue a case for the UK Remaining members of the EU based on facts and historical facts and reality and hard cash.
All that the leave campaign had and still has is unfounded assumptions , wishful thinking , Unicorns and facist propaganda.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[deeangeo]

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I was with you on this until the emboldened.

There are still voters around who risked their life for this Country in the last war with Germany but still voted to stay in Europe. Wheather that stems from a desire to never see us revisit such horrors; a key driver of our joining the EEC, I don't honestly know but to suggest they are less patriotic for it is frankly unacceptable.

K

OK K, I fully and unquestionably accept those circumstances of patriotism, although it was the specific aspect of remaining within the EU to which I was referring.
I just made an assumption people would understand it's that to which I was making the point.

 

[deeangeo]

Yes, and the big difference between the leave and remain standpoints is that you can argue a case for the UK Remaining members of the EU based on facts and historical facts and reality and hard cash.
All that the leave campaign had and still has is unfounded assumptions , wishful thinking , Unicorns and facist propaganda.
Kindest regards, Olaf

I dfffer significantly over your above statements.

We already know what the EU currently delivers and proposes for the future. A significant number of the population wants no further part of it.
How we progress as a nation outside the EU, NO ONE yet knows.
I'm quite sure as a nation we'll most certainly give it our best shot.
To quote: 'A man does good business when he rids himself of a turd'.

 

[Woodsmoke]

the big difference between the leave and remain standpoints is that you can argue a case for the UK Remaining

No you can't. All you can do is argue that the status quo should remain unchanged. I make no economic argument in favour of my decision to vote leave. I want the UK to be free of interference from the EU nanny state. That's what I voted for, and I placed my trust (foolishly, perhaps) in both the democratic process, and our Fearless Leaders to actually work on our behalf to achieve the best possible outcome for the UK. As it is, that useless idiot May is scuttling about like a wind-up toy as its finally dawned on her that she's a) not up to the job, and b) being hung out to dry by the rest of the shameless self-servers she's surrounded by. The EU is obfuscating as best it can in the hope that the UK won't pack up it's gravy-trainset and go home, and the rest of us are arguing over an hour already done-deal. As of the end of March, if the UK is still part of the EU I can see May needing to go into hiding . . . .

 

[Olaf]

I dfffer significantly over your above statements.


How we progress as a nation outside the EU, NO ONE yet knows.

Absolutely, and the leave campaign said that it would be easy to set up trade deals, all over the world, and, they haven’t even managed to get any based on a no deal Brexit. In over two and a half years.
If you honestly think that the majority of this country voted for a no deal or really bad deal , like Mays , that will loose the UK power and influence and make people poor, then I’m absolutely speechless.
Fair play to your opinion mate, but, your a long way off the mark if you believe that any UK majority believes that.
We should all be given a final say in a People’s Vote. If the UK voted to damage itself a second time then fair enough, but I don’t think that the people of this country who are patriotic to the UK would ever knowingly make such a bad choice.

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Hornet 6]

I think that’s really great that The Japanese are going to order some British motorbikes.

They buy loads of Triumphs every year, the profit may come to the UK, but the bikes are made in china.
Pretty much all but UK and maybe EU Bonnie's are made in china and have been for years now, it is also where the main engine plant is.

Neil.

PS: Still not changed my mind, and I see Olaf is still desperately try to change our mind, but has now stooped to insulting the men and women
who so freely gave their lives so that we may live free from an immoral and corrupt Germany

 

[deeangeo]

Absolutely, and the leave campaign said that it would be easy to set up trade deals, all over the world, and, they haven’t even managed to get any based on a no deal Brexit. In over two and a half years. So? Doesn't mean there won't be any forthcoming. No salesman ever won business by walking away at the first knockback.
If you honestly think that the majority of this country voted for a no deal or really bad deal , like Mays , I absolutely did not, nor did I ever trust May. Her subservient deal is the one that will loose the UK power and influence and make people poor, You have no knowledge of this as it's not yet been voted on by our inept politicians and will be the case. then I’m absolutely speechless.
Fair play to your opinion mate, but, your a long way off the mark if you believe that any UK majority believes that I don't believe the majority does, besides, my vote to leave wasn't cast on what I thought or believed others might think/do.
We should all be given a final say in a People’s Vote No we should not. To do so would be a violation of our democracy. we're no playing 'Best of three' games. If the UK voted to damage itself a second time then fair enough, but I don’t think that the people of this country who are patriotic to the UK would ever knowingly make such a bad choice.
Kindest regards, Olaf

I don't believe the United Kingdom's interests will be best served by remaining within the EU.
No one and definitely not you, will ever convince me my vote to leave the EU is wrong or mis-guided.
I absolutely believe the jokers in Brussels have played May for a fool, but she brought that on herself and if her 'deal' is voted for it will be a true disaster for our country.
As for Bercow taking away the option for parliament to walk free with no deal...tha's every bit as dis-tasteful as Mays' plan.
What will be the final outcome I cannot foretell, but given the complete farce and stupidity going on with our own politicians I cannot ever presume those on the EU gravytrain to be better.

 

[User00035]

They buy loads of Triumphs every year, the profit may come to the UK, but the bikes are made in china.
Pretty much all but UK and maybe EU Bonnie's are made in china and have been for years now, it is also where the main engine plant is.

Neil.

They're assembled in Thailand, not China. And so are many other European and Japanese bikes. Ducati and Honda have plants in Thailand and even Harley Davidson is opening one there. (Ducati began making bikes in Thailand in 2011, starting with the smaller Monsters and now the Scramblers).
The motorcycle market in south east Asia and the Indian sub-continent is huge, with vastly greater potential than Europe and north America. The future is in the east, it certainly isn't in Europe. In fact, the current fashion in the west for smaller bikes, cafe racers, customs and retros began in the far east, not here and we followed their lead. That part of the world is already making the weather and their consumer power is driving trends that the west is following, not the other way round. As a Brexiteer I'm very happy with that. Competition is our economic lifeblood. It makes the world a bigger, more exciting place, with greater possibilities.
It makes sense to manufacture your product as close to the market place as possible and if that means you can also make bikes for your home market there more cheaply, you will do so and re-import them, and that is what many manufacturers are doing. These are the economic facts of life and Brexit is irrelevant.
Thailand is an advanced economy with a strong background in engineering. They have the facilities and the skills base to match the Europeans. And they have an economic competitive advantage. A lot more than just motorcycles for the European and north American market will becoming from there in the future.

 

[Hornet 6]

They're assembled in Thailand, not China.

Thanks, looks like i'm a bit out of date, time has moved on and I've not ridden or looked at bikes really for about ten years now.
But I have just found this, which is worth a read, if you like the idea of Indian made Triumphs and Norton's.

Neil.

 

[JTO]

The people behind the 'Peoples' Vote' campaign commissioned a YouGov poll that found only 22% of 'people' backed the EU deal that is on offer.

 

[User00025]

Yes, and the big difference between the leave and remain standpoints is that you can argue a case for the UK Remaining members of the EU based on facts and historical facts and reality and hard cash.
All that the leave campaign had and still has is unfounded assumptions , wishful thinking , Unicorns and facist propaganda.
Kindest regards, Olaf

If you are basing remaining on facts history and reality, I am afraid you need to engage a new brain.
Fact Germany is in the ascendant for the third time in 100yrs and is like it or not the major Eurppean power. History, by borrowing we managed to win a war which beat Germany but saved all the rest of the European countries.
Hard cash, it cost this island a fortune to achieve that and even afterwards we rose and financed such things as the NHS.
Don't ever try to tell me in your ill informed and unpatriotic way that we are better off in something that I was against initially and am now being conned out of. We can make it and I pray that at some time we can export to Europe those remaining moaning whingeong t..ts so that proper peoplecan get back to running things here.

 

[african jack]

Absolutely, and the leave campaign said that it would be easy to set up trade deals, all over the world, and, they haven’t even managed to get any based on a no deal Brexit. In over two and a half years.
If you honestly think that the majority of this country voted for a no deal or really bad deal , like Mays , that will loose the UK power and influence and make people poor, then I’m absolutely speechless.
Fair play to your opinion mate, but, your a long way off the mark if you believe that any UK majority believes that.
We should all be given a final say in a People’s Vote. If the UK voted to damage itself a second time then fair enough, but I don’t think that the people of this country who are patriotic to the UK would ever knowingly make such a bad choice.

Kindest regards, Olaf

Oaf as I told you before we cannot get trade deals till we leave the EU

 

[JTO]

Oaf as I told you before we cannot get trade deals till we leave the EU

Wasting your time. The remainers only seem to think about short-term money and foreign family connections
Dominic Grieve is half French!

 

[kenbro]

Wasting your time. The remainers only seem to think about short-term money and foreign family connections
Dominic Grieve is half French!

And there’s a picture of his house in France, in the Mail today.
Ken.

 

[User00025]

And there’s a picture of his house in France, in the Mail today.
Ken.

I believe his old man was an MP as well (Percy Grieve) for Solihull. I am reliably informed that he was also a T..t of the first water.

 

[User00035]

Thanks, looks like i'm a bit out of date, time has moved on and I've not ridden or looked at bikes really for about ten years now.
But I have just found this, which is worth a read, if you like the idea of Indian made Triumphs and Norton's.

Neil.

I have no more qualms about buying a British motorcycle assembled in Thailand than I would buying a Toyota made in Derbyshire or a Nissan made in Sunderland.
It's the way of the world. Toyota and Nissan are still Japanese companies and Norton and Triumph are still British. Their haven't moved production overseas, they've merely opened additional plants where the market is. Triumph and Norton still design and build bikes in the UK, which is close to their European and American market (just as Enfield have just opened a huge design and research facility in the UK as a base for the anticipated European market for their expanding range of bikes. They're obviously not put off in the slightest by Brexit).

 

[enfieldspares]

Pretty much all but UK and maybe EU Bonnie's are made in china and have been for years now, it is also where the main engine plant is.

No? Really? Well everyday a school day. I thought that they were made a Bloor's factory near Hinckley. Thanks for that. If I want a Japanese bike again I'll buy a Japanese bike and not pay over the odds for a Japanese bike with a British name. Same as fly rods. If I want Made in China I'll buy Grey's and not the pretence of a Chinese rod with a Hardy sticker on it. Just like those currently peddling Webley guns made in Turkey. If there's nothing wrong with Turkish guns then I'd prefer the importers were honest about it.

 

[mchughcb]

No? Really? Well everyday a school day. I thought that they were made a Bloor's factory near Hinckley. Thanks for that. If I want a Japanese bike again I'll buy a Japanese bike and not pay over the odds for a Japanese bike with a British name. Same as fly rods. If I want Made in China I'll buy Grey's and not the pretence of a Chinese rod with a Hardy sticker on it. Just like those currently peddling Webley guns made in Turkey. If there's nothing wrong with Turkish guns then I'd prefer the importers were honest about it.

Webley is now made in italy by betinsoli. However i do have Turkish made webley 2020k and it is one of the sweetest little 20g sxs you could buy.

 

[B&W FOX]

And there’s a picture of his house in France, in the Mail today.
Ken.

Jarvis Cocker of Pulp was on some political chat show the other day saying the country should have another referendum as he didn't agree with the result of the last one. And where is the Jarvis tax haven?? Paris