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[jimmy milnes]

Congratulations sir you are the 1000th post.. must be a record for SD

 

[Klenchblaize]

Yep we live in free democratic country with the right to vote. THE MAJORITY OF US VOTED OUT, that is the wish of the majority of us, that's what we voted for. So no matter how much you kick and scream that is what we asked for, without any excuses buts, ifs, maybe.

Live with it and lets move on shall we as this thread is now past its sell by date, much like the EU.

Do give it another day before locking this thread as it may get a second-wind tommorrow afternoon!

In all seriousness and caustic bumper stickers aside my take on this is we need to honour the result as to do otherwise would indeed be a blow for democracy and given of consequence I'd rather not overly consider.

The problem we now have will no doubt be laid bare tomorrow and all I'm prepared to predict is there will be further lengthy delay which also won't please anyone.

If however the deeply unattractive May deal does get through we all need to tighten our belts and get on with it in as many imaginative ways as possible which needs to be more than relying on saddling-up a trade deal-packing stallion and trotting off to the US in hope of salvation.

That's me done on this thread.

K

 

[User00025]

So..... which facts are you basing your interesting conspiracy theories on then ?
Which EU law is it that is hindering you so much that you can’t wait to be able to be rid of it ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

Always with the negative waves. Oddball was right!!!

 

[User00025]

I've been studiously avoiding this thread, but I think I have to point out that:
1. Of course countries join the EU for their own interests, but that doesn't mean it isn't also in the wider European interest. The two can go together.
2. Well sure, not everyone feels European, but lots of people do, and again, it's not mutually exclusive with national or regional identities. Certainly for me, European citizenship is important, as are my French and British citizenships. And they all coexist quite happily. Identity is a many layered thing.

Mustelid I am not and never will be a European, this serms to be generally something that has been invented by those who either were not born or were to young to have an opinion in 1973. I am not in need of another identity thank you. I accept British nationality but country is England.

 

[jimmy milnes]

So..... which facts are you basing your interesting conspiracy theories on then ?
Which EU law is it that is hindering you so much that you can’t wait to be able to be rid of it ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

Deleted as can't be bothered anymore

 

[Olaf]

how about the referendum that we voted out in , that kind of backs him up don't you think ?
and I read it a couple of times and nothing was mentioned about laws that I can see ?

you want to remain , many others (a majority in actual fact) voted leave , I get that you don't like that you lost but honestly just stop with the misdirection , he never mentioned laws

No, he just made a lot of assumptions. I’m interested to know what facts he based those assumptions on ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[tackb]

Deleted as can't be bothered anymore

don't give up !

that is exactly what these romoaning types want , wear us down with incessant lies and false assumptions and dire 'predictions' until we are fed up and they are free to thwart the will of the leave majority

 

[tackb]

No, he just made a lot of assumptions. I’m interested to know what facts he based those assumptions on ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

like the assumptions that it will be a disaster out of the eu pedaled by remainers like you?

and you brought the specifics about laws into your response yet he didn't mention laws , so why are you changing the subject?

 

[User00025]

like the assumptions that it will be a disaster out of the eu pedaled by remainers like you?

and you brought the specifics about laws into your response yet he didn't mention laws , so why are you changing the subject?

Cos he used to be in a typing pool and can't stop copying rubbish.

 

[african jack]

Having just Watched the BBC news all the remoaners outside with there flags I wonder who is paying them hope it not the welfare state but it most probably is they need to get a job

 

[enfieldspares]

It’s an EU law which makes it illegal to ship any such device without a power cable.

Good!

1) It is not only a safety measure to save lives so that appliances don't get connected to the mains electric with cabling or a plug that is inadequate for the current which is none one of the biggest causes of house fires...electrical issues. Indeed I doubt that any maker would be happy of the liability issues of a fire caused by their PC or kettle if it was used with a third party cable and plug. Their insurers would ty to deny liability.

It also stops the huge inconvenience of then having to buy a plug, connect the plug and etc.. Not everybody has a drawer of spare cables. Not everybody has the skill set if they don't have cables to then make one. I remember all the inconvenience and nuisance of sourcing a plug, finding the correct Phillips screwdriver, find the correct slot head screwdriver, then stripping the insulation from the cables to bare the wires to be attached.

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They’ve mandated a power reduction in vacuum cleaners. They thing this saves electricity. What it does do, is cause one to spend twice as long on the same cleaning.

Actually, like all such measures as the American regulations regarding minimum fuel efficiency measures in motor vehicles, this was designed to force manufacturers to develop more efficient machines that rely on 21st Century vacuuming technology and not simply use more and more power to drive inefficient 19th Century vacuuming technology. But being a Leicestershire Lad...the birthplace of Luddism...I do have to hold my hands up and I went out an bought two 2200 Watt cleaners before they disappeared from the shelves.

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!VAT on Electricity, gas and heating oil.

The EU did not impose VAT on electricity, gas, nor heating oil. It was zero rated. Who imposed it? It was one of Mrs Thatcher's Governments that imposed VAT on domestic energy bills. The EU didn't impose it. Mrs Thatcher was responsible for it.

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Red passports. Surely none of their business what colour a UK passport is? Oh, but the hidden agenda: the UK is just a province of the EU, and EU passports must be red.

No. Another falsehood. Again it was a UK Government that accepted that the "new" UK Passport would be red. There is no mandatory requirement that an EU Member State issue a red passport. Croatia's passport, a country that only recently joined the EU, is no red. It is blue. No member of the EU is forced to have a red passport. Nor did the UK have to accept a red passport.

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Or spend the money on making the existing lines and stations take double-decker trains. The Great Central Main Line - Wikipedia, closed by the Beeching report, could be reopened as a 120–130MPH line!

Fantasy. The bridges are not high enough. Indeed they cannot even electrify the Midland Mainline for that very reason. Great Central? The route never made a profit when it did exist either as a private company or as part of British Rail. And except where it still remains part of the current railway network into Marylebone Station (or as preserved heritage railway, doesn't exist. It would be impossible to resurrect most of it through Leicester or through Nottingham. Victoria Station no longer exists...it's a shopping centre...and all the bridges through the City of Leicester have long been demolished.

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Several cheeses formerly made with unpasteurized milk have been banned, supposedly on safety grounds, or rendered unprofitable by impossibly tough regulation.

Odd then that I can buy raw milk...lait cru...cheeses in every mainstream French supermarket.

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The common fisheries policy. It mandated that if fish of the wrong species were caught accidentally, the dead fish had to be thrown overboard, and the fishermen carried on killing more fish, until they reached the “right” quotas of the “right” species.

For obvious reasons. The same that if you fish on a pay by the fish trout water that don't offer catch and release. You can't throw back a fish you've caught and killed if you then catch a bigger and better one. Fraud. Fishing boat skippers would be tempted to actively target those more profitable species where the quota had already been filled and then try to claim that it was an error and that as they'd caught it they might therefore keep it and land it.

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At worst, in a smoke-filled room somewhere, they connived in a deception for the benefit of EU car-makers.

You're having a laugh. The UK car industry...Rover ex British Leyland...and Rootes Group failed for its own incompetences not because of the EU and the sole and only reason that the likes of Nissan and the Japanese and American makers have recently invested in the UK is because the UK is in the EU. I'll predict that post-Brexit there will be no more new car plants built by the Japanese, nor the Americans in the UK. Anyone that thinks that the British car industry's demise was not a self-inflicted death is blind to reality of the matter.

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It’s now illegal for a church fete to sell jam that’s not been poured into a brand-new jam-jar

More mischief. Read this from the EU: Here's a precis from 2012: Recent media coverage on reusing jars for homemade jams for sale at charity events certainly fired up the imagination of the headline writers: “EU elf ‘n safety tsars ban jam sales at fetes” and “anger spreads over EU fines threat for reusing old jam jars”, “EU fine for homemade jam makers”. This is all completely untrue. There are no EU laws, new or old, which ban re-using old jam jars for fetes. The EU also has no powers to fine people.

Here's the actual link from 2012:

In a jam over non-existent EU rules - European Commission

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There may be a lot that isn't right with the EU. But it also isn't right that it should be scapegoated for what isn't its fault.

 

[mchughcb]

Lift your chin up, shoulders back look to the sky.

MUGA

Make UK Great Again!

 

[Olaf]

like the assumptions that it will be a disaster out of the eu pedaled by remainers like you?

and you brought the specifics about laws into your response yet he didn't mention laws , so why are you changing the subject?

I haven’t changed the subject, I’ve asked him to substantiate his wide ranging statements?
For example, he could use some facts. Ie ; which EU laws does he find to be so terrible.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[finnbear270]

Olaf, you were not quick enough, his now deleted post kept me reading for a good five minutes, so he quoted quite a few of them.

 

[Olaf]

Olaf, you were not quick enough, his now deleted post kept me reading for a good five minutes, so he quoted quite a few of them.

Gosh, invisible disappearing laws were they ?

 

[enfieldspares]

MUGA! Surely MUKGA? Hmm. Sounds like some sort of chutney or pickle.

I'll ask for some when I next go for a curry. "May please I have some muga (or mukga) with my poppadoms?"

 

[finnbear270]

No, unfortunately we are still subject to them.

 

[enfieldspares]

Gosh, invisible disappearing laws were they ?

OLAF worry not. I got a few before they went away.

 

[finnbear270]

We are in a pickle now.

 

[bowji john]

It's like we dropped down Alice's rabbit hole

May claiming that if her deal (which is one of total capitulation) is not accepted, then there is a real threat to democracy

Meanwhile MPs are attempting a coup to prevent us leaving at all - no matter what their electorates voted for

Each side claims that there will be civil unrest if they don't win

Rice, pasta, spices, salt, pepper, sugar, flour, nuts, dried fruit, tinned veggies - hope your larders are full - trouble coming