So . . . .

[zambezi]

You are of course totally ignoring the money the EU gives back to the UK... in grants insentives etc etc which brings the figure back down to 175 million

Ummmm...no I did not. Did you actually read any of what I wrote? Our liability is £350m. We send £263m per week. Some money comes back in the form of EU sponsored projects.

If you agree with all of the EU projects/grants you might wish to offset that amount and to view it as though we sent less. Which we didn't. But you can take that view. I do not. It is absurd as giving your neighbour £100 a week and being glad he let you have £25 back as long as you use it to keep the partition hedges trimmed.

 

[zambezi]

How can you not argue against a statement like "subservient to an unelected body" I mean its total rubbish on both counts.

Perhaps you could answer some direct questions to explain your position taken in this quote? Your previous reply suggests you do not read all content submitted by other posters. But for those that do, the answers are in the hyperlinks.

Who elected Junker?

How do senior staffers at the EU get appointed to their positions?


The point is that the power in the EU structure has been shifted from the elected structures of national governments and thrust into the hands of bureaucrats. Bureaucrats given the power to rule, not serve. The peoples of Europe have no redress and no recourse to remove them. These are facts.

 

[Pine Marten]

Over the past three years or so, in about 10,000 posts on the topic of Brexit or related ones, I do not recall one single one where someone said "Oh hang on, that's a good point, I'll just take a moment to reconsider my point of view on this. ". There is no debate here. Just an endless repetition of entrenched views. It is poisonous, and I think in the long run, that's a bigger problem than the immediate problem at hand.

 

[zambezi]

Stop blaming the EU for something thats blatantly OUR fault

There is some credence in that statement. I have no doubt but that lily-livered governments headed by all parties have shirked their duty and hidden behind the excuse that it is "out of their hands". But equally the ECJ have made some fairly straightforward repatriations of ex-patriot criminals difficult...

All the more reason to leave the EU. The ECJ can no longer overrule our High Court and the domestic politicians are directly answerable to us, the electorate.

 

[deeangeo]

Over the past three years or so, in about 10,000 posts on the topic of Brexit or related ones, I do not recall one single one where someone said "Oh hang on, that's a good point, I'll just take a moment to reconsider my point of view on this. ". There is no debate here. Just an endless repetition of entrenched views. It is poisonous, and I think in the long run, that's a bigger problem than the immediate problem at hand.

Those who voted to leave the EU had the majority in June 2016.
Those who voted to stay in the EU did not.
That’s democracy.

It’s the losing ‘Remain’ voters who are undermining democracy and Brexit.
Therein lies the poison, with the pot of poison being stirred & made ever bigger by an elitist establishment beating their drum as loud as they can, sucking in as many as they can, in an attempt to foil the will of the majority.

It’s not going to change anytime soon, especially with a weak government and prime minister.

 

[jimmy milnes]

His bad spelling lets us know which posts are by him the others are by his ghost writers

the guy has dyslexia, I may not agree with his belief or opinions but a disability shouldn't be ridiculed.
As has been mentioned before this thread has been a credit to SD let's not ruin it now please gents..

 

[User00014]

3 million EU citizens sending home X amount of billions of £ home?

Let’s look at where those £billions have come from shall we?

They have obviously earnt it, paid their dues on on it working for Agencies or in factories and doing all the jobs the bone idle British dont want to do or think those jobs are beneath their station.

If they have paid their dues on it, the treasury has had its slice of the cake then the people who earnt it can send it and spend it where they like as can we!

Or is that too complicated to understand?

The only way to stop this money leaving the country is to get the bone idle out to work doing all those jobs no one want to do.

When you can do that, this county will be great again, the nhs will have more money to spend etc.

But WHEN is the watch word here, I don’t think it will happen certainly not in my lifetime anyway

 

[kenbro]

Over the past three years or so, in about 10,000 posts on the topic of Brexit or related ones, I do not recall one single one where someone said "Oh hang on, that's a good point, I'll just take a moment to reconsider my point of view on this. ". There is no debate here. Just an endless repetition of entrenched views. It is poisonous, and I think in the long run, that's a bigger problem than the immediate problem at hand.

That’s because...some of the people thought they made a mistake once, but that was wrong.
Ken.

 

[tackb]

the guy has dyslexia, I may not agree with his belief or opinions but a disability shouldn't be ridiculed.
As has been mentioned before this thread has been a credit to SD let's not ruin it now please gents..

here here ! we should be able to debate with resorting to personal insults.

 

[Woodsmoke]

62 pages of comments, and 1230 responses! It just goes to show how hot a topic Brexit actually is. Great to see so many members actively engaging in debate!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

the guy has dyslexia, I may not agree with his belief or opinions but a disability shouldn't be ridiculed.
As has been mentioned before this thread has been a credit to SD let's not ruin it now please gents..

Just to be clear, some on here have been right assholes actually commenting to me personally in pushing their xenophobic opinions.
I tried always to be polite and that"s IMO how it should be written.
The Brexit farce is not over till the fat lady sings.
But I will 100% accept whatever comes after April as that is the UK"s right to do what the majority (ok IMO delusional) want and I will just make the adjustments to my life.
Regards BB

 

[african jack]

the guy has dyslexia, I may not agree with his belief or opinions but a disability shouldn't be ridiculed.
As has been mentioned before this thread has been a credit to SD let's not ruin it now please gents..

Ok I will rephrase it its his dyslexia that lets us know his posts from his ghost writers

 

[Hornet 6]

So come the end of March and we are finally out of this mess, with to without a deal.
That leaves one burning question, will we still be able to play in the Euro Millions Lottery ?

Neil.

 

[jimmy milnes]

So come the end of March and we are finally out of this mess, with to without a deal.
That leaves one burning question, will we still be able to play in the Euro Millions Lottery ?

Neil.

And will it still cost us more to play it ?

 

[enfieldspares]

That leaves one burning question, will we still be able to play in the Euro Millions Lottery ?

Says me (in best booming luvvie voice) "I only play the Lottery to support the Arts you know. Not for the prize. No, no, no. Only to support the Arts."

 

[Hornet 6]

And will it still cost us more to play it ?

Should cost less, as a £ is still worth more than a euro

Neil.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Up and down like the proverbials drawers.

 

[enfieldspares]

Should cost less, as a £ is still worth more than a euro

At the moment HORNET, at the moment! They used to say the same about the US Dollar too.

 

[zambezi]

At the moment HORNET, at the moment! They used to say the same about the US Dollar too.

Thatcher used to say that you cannot buck the markets. True enough. What is rather telling is that the the GBP vs EUR rates would suggest that the rejection of May's deal is going down rather well globally. Leastways the pound strengthened against the Euro throughout the days since the vote. Allied to that is the data Gove shared with the house which shows that investor confidence in the UK has been growing and not shrinking in the 2 years of Brexit debate kerfuffle. I.e. investors see the UK as a good place to do business whether or not in the EU. The UK currently has the greatest inward investment of any European nation.

It is early days. I know there will be pain all round during our adjustment to life outside the EU. The financial services part of the UK will doubtless have a period of significant adjustment. And Euro clearing may go to Frankfurt. [But I note that the top EIGHT financial centres in the world are not in Europe, so it would seem EU membership is not actually a criteria for that sector] I am pretty sure my state pension may have suffered [another] blow. It may become more expensive to travel post Brexit. European consumer durables will become dearer.

I do not know any delusional Brexiteers. And none of them are xenophobes or Empire stentors. Most Brexiteers I have spoken to have weighed the benefits of EU membership and found them seriously wanting. The next steps for the UK outside the EU are, as May said, uncharted waters . I look to them with optimism.

 

[oowee]

Thatcher used to say that you cannot buck the markets. True enough. What is rather telling is that the the GBP vs EUR rates would suggest that the rejection of May's deal is going down rather well globally. Leastways the pound strengthened against the Euro throughout the days since the vote. Allied to that is the data Gove shared with the house which shows that investor confidence in the UK has been growing and not shrinking in the 2 years of Brexit debate kerfuffle. I.e. investors see the UK as a good place to do business whether or not in the EU. The UK currently has the greatest inward investment of any European nation.

It is early days. I know there will be pain all round during our adjustment to life outside the EU. The financial services part of the UK will doubtless have a period of significant adjustment. And Euro clearing may go to Frankfurt. [But I note that the top EIGHT financial centres in the world are not in Europe, so it would seem EU membership is not actually a criteria for that sector] I am pretty sure my state pension may have suffered [another] blow. It may become more expensive to travel post Brexit. European consumer durables will become dearer.

I do not know any delusional Brexiteers. And none of them are xenophobes or Empire stentors. Most Brexiteers I have spoken to have weighed the benefits of EU membership and found them seriously wanting. The next steps for the UK outside the EU are, as May said, uncharted waters . I look to them with optimism.

Inward investment data (Dept for International Trade)for 17/18 shows investment activity to the UK declining in all sectors, including, new projects, expansions, and M&A. All inward investment results are subject to significant lag between decision and activity. This decline is despite the creative accounting used in the creation of this UK sales brochure.
Having worked in Inward Investment for the UK government, I am amazed that Gove was able to share any positive data. If you do anything with the Department at the moment forget a response as everyone is engaged trying to sort out the process of departure and try to get a handle on tariff.

Liberty speciality markets, European Banking Agency, Markel Corporation, XL insurance, STM Life, Royal Sun Alliance, Admiral Group, Credt Suisse, DLA Piper, Shadow Robot Company, Ferrovial, Arch Capital ............................................ It goes on and on are all moving facilities from the UK, moving accounting and management to the EU in response to Brexit. The cost is not the number of jobs that move or value of the lost office space, but the loss of intellectual property, and knowledge jobs together with the tax. The emphasis for new investment will not be the UK over the last two year or for the forseable future until the UK gets sorted. There will then be a corresponding lag. Good news (for UK equity investors) that some of the UK companies look cheap add to which the yields are at record levels. These acquisitions will help our FDI data.
My guess would be that the biggest challenge is yet to come on two fronts. First will be the changing face of agriculture as British farming is used as a bargaining chip for trade. The second will be migration costs as we seek to fill UK vacancies from third world countries, with the resultant family migration that will follow, and we meet the demands for relaxing visa requirements in exchange for trade.