So . . . .

[mchughcb]

I'm just curious, how do nations that aren't part of the EU but founded in Western Democracy seem to be surviving?

 

[jimmy milnes]

I'm just curious, how do nations that aren't part of the EU but founded in Western Democracy seem to be surviving?

They probably aren't being screwed to the floorboards to make an example of through fear that their gentleman's club will fail and it's boardroom will all have to start working for a living without all the extravagant perks paid for by the working class masses

 

[User00035]

I'm just curious, how do nations that aren't part of the EU but founded in Western Democracy seem to be surviving?

Odd isn't it? 92% of the nations and peoples of the Earth are not in the EU but they seem to scrape along OK and many are thriving and actually increasing their share of global economic activity while the EU's share has been steadily declining for the last 25 years.

Everywhere you look in the world there are self-governing democracies that are peaceful and prospering. In fact, the countries that are not peaceful and prospering are generally those that are not democratic.
How do the world's free and independent nations manage to survive without an unelected and authoritarian politburo to run things for them? It's a mystery.

 

[Hornet 6]

Just so we're clear: I'm not primarily scared of leaving the EU. I'm actively in favour of not only staying in, but being a far more active participant. Boom.

You'll still be a member I though, well at least till it either goes up in a puff of smoke, or france pulls out as well.

 

[Chasey]

Odd isn't it? 92% of the nations and peoples of the Earth are not in the EU but they seem to scrape along OK and many are thriving and actually increasing their share of global economic activity while the EU's share has been steadily declining for the last 25 years.

Everywhere you look in the world there are self-governing democracies that are peaceful and prospering. In fact, the countries that are not peaceful and prospering are generally those that are not democratic.
How do the world's free and independent nations manage to survive without an unelected and authoritarian politburo to run things for them? It's a mystery.

So name one?

Of course in doing so you cant include ones that are in far reaching trade groups like

European Union
Members: Austria: Belgium: Cyprus; Czech Republic; Denmark; Estonia; Finland; France; Germany; Greece; Hungary; Ireland; Italy; Latvia; Lithuania; Luxembourg; Malta; Netherlands; Poland; Portugal; Slovakia; Slovenia; Spain; Sweden; United Kingdom

APEC
Members: Australia; Brunei; Canada; Chile; China; Hong Kong; Indonesia; Japan; South Korea; Malaysia; Mexico; New Zealand; Papua New Guinea; Peru; Philippines; Russia; Singapore; Taiwan; Thailand; United States; Vietnam

G20
Members: Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, China, Cuba, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Paraguay, Philippines, South Africa, Thailand, Tanzania, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zimbabwe


NAFTA
Members: Canada; Mexico; United States


CAIRNS Group
Members: Argentina; Australia; Bolivia; Brazil; Canada; Chile; Colombia; Costa Rica; Guatemala; Indonesia; Malaysia; New Zealand; Paraguay; Philippines; South Africa; Thailand; Uruguay

Russian Federation
Memebers obvious

China
Members Obvious

OPEC
Members: Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela,Qatar, Indonesia, Libya, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Nigeria, Ecuador, Gabon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea and Congo.

 

[Chasey]

And can someone please enlighten me, because I am confused by the claim we are in a strong position? & The EU needs us more than we need them?

If so, why are we seemingly unable to dictate terms of our separation???

Odd that?

And if we are not in the strong position the Brexliers keep claiming, how will it be possable to negotiate these amazing trade deals with the rest of the world, if we cant even get one with the EU?

I am struggling with the concept that we can do better trade deals with the rest of the world than we have in place already with the EU?

Why is the UK able to do a better deal with only 60million people on offer as potential customers when the EU has 700 million?

I have always struggled with this but i am sure the explanation is simple.

 

[finnbear270]

All the dictating is done from Brussels.

 

[bowji john]

We can't get a good deal from the EU - not because their position is strong - but because their position is so weak

A successful divorce on sensible trading arrangements would be catastrophic for them

If they truly were immune from what we do and 'couldn't care less', then surely they would happily wave us good bye

They have invented road block after road block to prevent an easy negotiation

Why have we not forced a good deal if our position is so strong?

Well -

1. Our position is not strong, just stronger than theirs

2. We have a Gov that doesn't really wish to see a complete divorce

Remember the referendum was not supposed to really ask the people what they wanted to do - it was supposed to result in a vote to stay in, thereby shutting up the dissenters in both main parties and stop the growth of UKIP

Likewise a second referendum or 'peoples vote' is not really an attempt to put the choice back to the people - it is designed to be won by the remainers there by shutting up those same dissenters

If poles indicate that 'Leave' would win again, we will here nothing further about a 'peple's vote' - there will be some other device cooked up to prevent an exit

 

[Pine Marten]

You'll still be a member I though, well at least till it either goes up in a puff of smoke, or france pulls out as well.

You're right, I retain my European citizenship and vote in the French European elections. But it makes a fat lot of difference if I live outside the EU. But it's not about me specifically, it's about an entire country, which is also mine.

 

[finnbear270]

HHMMN, One man one vote ... EER No! One man TWO votes then.

 

[Pine Marten]

HHMMN, One man one vote ... EER No! One man TWO votes then.

One vote in each jurisdiction. We have a UK MP, and French MP for overseas citizens. The ability to vote in the European elections despite being overseas is new and down to member states to implement. It's because MEPs will now be elected by PR for the entire country. So where you are is irrelevant. It will be interesting to see how that works out. Going to be a very important Euro election, this one.

 

[Pine Marten]

Correction: I can vote in my country of residence OR France. Well I could. And until now I voted in the UK. But that's gone so I shall fall back on my French European parliament vote.

 

[B&W FOX]

Now where's my high viz jacket? The one I only wear at weekends

 

[jimmy milnes]

Now where's my high viz jacket? The one I only wear at weekends

Won't ever happen.. we British will stand for the drop of York an just mutter to ourselves.
Take for instance this African pig jobby it's not here YET but what will we do ??
Just keep letting potential for it to reach our shores come and go so we don't kick up a fuss until we shut the doors after the horses has left the stable and we're slaughtering loads of animals to try contain it.
Close the door now eat our home bred pork and support a British business
EDIT.... what would the EU be doing if it was a British disease? ? Stuffing us up the poo pipe I'll reckon

 

[Bavarianbrit]

It will 95% sure arrive here in an ex eastern bloc truck drivers sarnie box.
Seeing how the Brexit is functioning then ASP will cause utter chaos here but as a non pig farmer it will be fun to watch all the headless politicians running around making excuses for why they cannot control it.
BB

 

[jimmy milnes]

It will 95% sure arrive here in an ex eastern bloc truck drivers sarnie box.
Seeing how the Brexit is functioning then ASP will cause utter chaos here but as a non pig farmer it will be fun to watch all the headless politicians running around making excuses for why they cannot control it.
BB

No doubt Brexit will get the blame

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

Won't ever happen.. we British will stand for tnything about it.he drop of York an just mutter to ourselves.
Take for instance this African pig jobby it's not here YET but what will we do ??said a
sJust keep letting potential for it to reach our shores come and go so we don't kick up a fuss until we shut the doors after the horses has left the stable and we're slaughtering loads of animals to try contain it.
Close the door now eat our home bred pork and support a British business
EDIT.... what would the EU be doing if it was a British disease? ? Stuffing us up the poo pipe I'll reckon

I asked this Q a few weeks ago why are these countries still having guests over to shoot then come home,and no one as ive heard as said anything about it.

 

[african jack]

Pine Marten you keep banging on about France but you chose to live here says it all

 

[bowji john]

I notice the Irish are saying the ''back stop'' cannot be negotiated away

There is loads wrong with May's deal - the back stop is only part of it

The Irish and EU have real problems

1. They (the Irish) live way beyond their means
2. They have borrowed (from the EU - their current bosses) and squandered billions on daft enterprises
3. Their principle market wants to leave the EU
4. They can't afford to lose that market yet they are not able to do a trade deal with that market as it undermines those bosses
5. The Irish can't afford to leave their bosses and yet those bosses insist on a barrier to trade to prevent a potentially more competitive non member having access to a large protective and inefficient market place
6. The Irish can't escape their bosses because of all the loans to the Bosses' bank

It's a real problem - BUT NOT OURS !

Why are we making it our problem ????

 

[B&W FOX]

Pine Marten you keep banging on about France but you chose to live here says it all

Bit like Jarvis Cocker of Pulp. Wants to remain and lives in Paris.