I am happy we will have our own authority to kick arse##les like the one armed bandit out, cat or no cat.
So . . . .
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Where have you heard that? I've never heard a single leaver campaigner or voter (and I've been around them all my adult life because that is how long I've supported leaving the EU) talk about utopia or a promised land. What people want is to live in a representative national parliamentary democracy under laws conceived in our national interest and enacted by our own politicians who we can vote into and out off office.
What we don't want it to live under an unelected politburo sitting in foreign capitals who habitually force bad law and regulation upon us and who are explicitly opposed to our national interest and want to abolish the nation states of Europe in favour of an artificial European superstate with a "single European identity" (its all there in the Lisbon Treaty)
We want to be a free independent country. Brexit is only the process. What we do with that independence depends entirely on what kind of governments we elect in the future. Some no doubt will be hideously bad, not least because 40 years of contracting out our governance to Brussels has broken the supply chain of political talent in this country which is something we will have to rebuild. But whatever governments we have will be elected by us, will have to answer to us and can be replaced by us. The shape of post-Brexit Britain is not pre-determined, it's a blank sheet and that's the point.
If you can't understand the advantages of living in a free and representative democracy there is nothing more to discuss.
As to being alone that is arrant nonsense. We are already founders of the Commonwealth of Nations, a group which does not impose political union on its members, whose average age is under 35, whose population represents a fifth of the planet and whose collective GDP is bigger than the EU's and growing. At that's just the start. Britain is a member of the five eyes security alliance which the EU (which isn't a country) is not. The EU depends on the UK's connections for security, not the other way round. We're more a world leader than shambling solitary figure when it comes to international cooperation and and plenty of other international bodies outside the EU are crying out for the return of a free and independent UK, Alone? You must be joking.
So what are we going to get at the end of March?
Highlandsjohn
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This was never going to be an easy journey. The fat cats of the eu are scared others will follow and will obstruct us every way they can to frighten them off.
We were given a choice in the referendum,'in or out'we voted out and that was the people's vote so let's get on with it.john
We were given a choice in the referendum,'in or out'we voted out and that was the people's vote so let's get on with it.john
I don’t know
What we will not get is Brexit
The remain campaign has had all the media access
They have invented a complete language around the debate
Words like soft brexit; hard brexit; crash out; etc etc are all inventions of those who wish to steer a course away from leaving
They have employed standard psych ops techniques to confound the agenda and have been able to establish spin as fact in the minds of many
Added to that you have a majority in the House who will not listen to their electorates and a Speaker, quite obviously biased, who is prepared to overturn a 100 years of precedent because it doesn’t suit the remain agenda
I have found the whole episode very enlightening as it reveals quite starkly just how free and fair this Country’s political system really is
For those of you that are quite happy if this results in ‘’remain’’ – just remember that this lack of democracy will occur again the next time there is an issue that doesn’t serve the elites; but on that occasion they might be advocating something you don’t want
In which case I would borrow from an old Royal Navy poster showing a sailor surrounded by flame looking at a fire extinguisher with apparent confusion trying to make it work
The caption read
Too late Mate!
Highlandsjohn
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True dat, good post.john
Hornet 6
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We gain:
-Our EU membership fees, around £200 billion a year
-Our Independent Sovereignty, and freedom from laws set down by the EU (such as banana-curvature allowables)
-Control over immigration (including the freedom to deport undesirables without being overruled by the European Court of Human Rights, and the right to set limits on the automatic right to welfare)
-Less interfering workplace regulation (could be a pro or a con, time will tell)
-Trade costs set by the UK, including the levels of VAT
-Independence with regard to the Common Customs Tariff, and the ability to import form whichever markets we set trade deals with
-Independence from the Common Agricultural Policy (no more subsidies to foreign farming, and hopefully freedom form the farcical Fisheries Policy too)
Nicely summed up, and I fully agree with you.
Neil.
PS: For those who jump up and down ring their hands and claiming it will cost the country money, I don't care, it will be worth it in the long run.
Funny you should mention Promised Land, after this weekend it reminded me of another nation who had a vision and with grit anger and sheer hard work made what was semi desert bloom.
Shalom.
Hornet 6
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Maybe slightly off topic, but as it's been raised by several posters........
Two world wars, both times Britain stepped into protect other countries, we all know what happened, and we all know what it cost us both financially, and in lives lost.
The question I have asked myself so many times over so many years it this, what would have happened if we had just sat at home protecting our borders, and building armed strength so to be ready to protect our country from invasion by any aggressor who tried invasion.
I also wonder what the map of Europe would look like now ?
Neil.
Two world wars, both times Britain stepped into protect other countries, we all know what happened, and we all know what it cost us both financially, and in lives lost.
The question I have asked myself so many times over so many years it this, what would have happened if we had just sat at home protecting our borders, and building armed strength so to be ready to protect our country from invasion by any aggressor who tried invasion.
I also wonder what the map of Europe would look like now ?
Neil.
Had the UK not stepped across the channel decisively in those wars, I imagine the peoples of Europe would now be saluting one flag, using a single currency and be led by someone they had not elected.
That makes you sound as selfish as the rest of the remainers. 'What's in it for me?' Are you an estate agent?
Woodsmoke
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I really don't get it. Why all the spite and vitriol from those who voted Remain? Why the inference that the sky is going to fall in and all our teeth are going to fall out?
It's a simple case of doing what's best for the UK. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by staying in an abusive relationship purely and simply because you're frightened of the unknown. I think that's what it comes down to in the end, and I thank god at least 52% of my countrymen still have pride enough, and belief in their country to give it the opportunity to take its own path, rather than remain unfairly shackled to a European conglomerate that, quite frankly, wouldn't have been given the opportunity to even exist (let alone abuse its position) if it hadn't been for the UK. The EU now is a completely different animal than it was originally, and the premise of the EEC has now been completely corrupted and overshadowed by a malignant and interfering body that has about as much relevance to today's UK as Shariah Law has to pork chop recipes . . . . . .
Neil
Aren't you forgetting something? Our American cousins supported us on both occasions, firstly with finance and kit and then later many Americans came here and fought and died for us. Our American cousins are still supporting us.
Regards
JCS
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Bavarianbrit
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It was an open vote, everyone is entitled to their own view.
They must have thought about a possible expulsion from their adopted country being on the cards as I had.
An interesting 3 parter seems to be screening on the UK TV at the moment should be enlightening to clarify why the vote came about.
HUH?
You have lost me there. JTO makes clear that they came back to vote LEAVE. They put principle ahead of any jeopardy to their own ex-pat situation.
Just what we need. Another MSM diatribe to explain the "error" of this referendum.
Woodsmoke
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This is just pathetic. Has the UK ever had such a weak and ineffective PM? We're becoming an absolute laughing-stock. She's a bloody embarrassment to this country, regardless of your stance on the EU
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