So . . . .

[jimmy milnes]

First out best air

 

[User00025]

Stand up!, ... Hook up!, Check the man in front!, Number one stand in the door!, Green on!, FU##!!!!!! OOOOF! ....

FU##!!!!!!! Indeed if you are going off the back, Wa hey, relax, then wallop.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Brexit news: Italy to CRASH OUT of Euro causing banking crisis in the EU claims economist | World | News | Express.co.uk
Sorry to resurrect this thread again but..................... in the words of Paul Weller, lights go out and the walls come tumbling down! ! Maybe eh ?

 

[tackb]

Brexit news: Italy to CRASH OUT of Euro causing banking crisis in the EU claims economist | World | News | Express.co.uk
Sorry to resurrect this thread again but..................... in the words of Paul Weller, lights go out and the walls come tumbling down! ! Maybe eh ?

I do business with Italy and for a few years now they are sick to the back teeth of the eu ! and this is in the industrial heart of Italy. Most I speak to want out and a lot of them want to cut loose the south of Italy...…….....

 

[Freeforester]

Does democracy yield to the enslavement of the masses, or globalcorp business, or any number of other 'interests'?

I'm backing Britain, and you might be surprised at how many others are, both here and abroad, in and beyond Europe

 

[Chasey]

Nissan cancel plans to make the Xtrail in the UKs Sunderland plan now that Japan have a free trade deel with the EU

Foreign investment in UK car manufacturing has dropped by 50% since the Brexit vote

Strangely no evidence of backing Britain there then?

But hey Sunderland voted out by a significant margin, so if anyone's going to suffer, at least its people who overwhelmingly voted to suffer

 

[finnbear270]

General downturn in vehicle building everywhere.

 

[Chasey]

Does democracy yield to the enslavement of the masses, or globalcorp business, or any number of other 'interests'?

I'm backing Britain, and you might be surprised at how many others are, both here and abroad, in and beyond Europe

Id have the democratically elected EU commission?

You know the one formed by the elected MEPs

The EU commission is as unelected as our UK cabinet? Our governments cabinet is about as elected as the EU commission and its the Cabinet that makes policy

The EU commission is accountable to the Elected parliament in the same way the UK cabinet is accountable to the UK elected parliament

Which is why several people interviewed pulled her up on the utter stupidity of her question

But if it makes you feel better about the disaster that is Brexit to believe this bulls#it, knock yourself out.



You could bother to read this but seeing as it makes a mockery of your point, I doubt you will

The European Parliament (EP) is the only parliamentary institution of the European Union (EU) that is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. Together with the Council of the European Union (also known as the 'Council'), which should not be confused with the European Council and the Council of Europe, it exercises the legislative function of the EU. The Parliament is composed of 751 members (MEPs), that will become 705 starting from the 2019–2024 legislature (because specific provisions adopted about Brexit), who represent the second-largest democratic electorate in the world (after the Parliament of India) and the largest trans-national democratic electorate in the world (375 million eligible voters in 2009).[3][4][5]

It has been directly elected by the European citizens (each EU Member State's national has his state's nationality and EU one consequently) every five years and by universal suffrage since 1979. However, voter turnout at European Parliament elections has fallen consecutively at each election since that date, and has been under 50% since 1999. Voter turnout in 2014 stood at 42.54% of all European voters.[6]

Although the European Parliament has legislative power, as does the Council, they do not formally possess legislative initiative (it is for the European Commission), as most national parliaments of European Union member states do.[7][8] The Parliament is the "first institution" of the EU (mentioned first in the treaties, having ceremonial precedence over all authority at European level),[9] and shares equal legislative and budgetary powers with the Council (except in a few areas where the special legislative procedures apply). It likewise has equal control over the EU budget. Finally, the European Commission, the executive body of the EU (it exercises executive powers but no legislative ones), is accountable to Parliament. In particular, Parliament elects the President of the Commission, and approves (or rejects) the appointment of the Commission as a whole. It can subsequently force the Commission as a body to resign by adopting a motion of censure.[7]

The President of the European Parliament (Parliament's speaker) is Antonio Tajani (EPP), elected in January 2017. He presides over a multi-party chamber, the two largest groups being the Group of the European People's Party (EPP) and the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D). The last union-wide elections were the 2014 elections.

The European Parliament has three places of work – Brussels (Belgium), the city of Luxembourg (Luxembourg) and Strasbourg (France). Luxembourg is home to the administrative offices (the "General Secretariat"). Meetings of the whole Parliament ("plenary sessions") take place in Strasbourg and in Brussels. Committee meetings are held in Brussels.[10][11]

 

[tackb]

Nissan cancel plans to make the Xtrail in the UKs Sunderland plan now that Japan have a free trade deel with the EU

Foreign investment in UK car manufacturing has dropped by 50% since the Brexit vote

Strangely no evidence of backing Britain there then?

But hey Sunderland voted out by a significant margin, so if anyone's going to suffer, at least its people who overwhelmingly voted to suffer

the problem we have now , in my humble opinion , is no longer leaving the eu , it's the tremendous hash being made of it by our elected officials who are pro remain !

I firmly believe if we had said 2 years ago , were off and keeping our money and threw ourselves into standing on our own we would be in a much better place than we find ourselves now after two years of bugger all but nonsense !

we could have had a free trade deal with japan by now...……………..

 

[tackb]

Id have the democratically elected EU commission?

You know the one formed by the elected MEPs

The EU commission is as unelected as our UK cabinet? Our governments cabinet is about as elected as the EU commission and its the Cabinet that makes policy

The EU commission is accountable to the Elected parliament in the same way the UK cabinet is accountable to the UK elected parliament

Which is why several people interviewed pulled her up on the utter stupidity of her question

But if it makes you feel better about the disaster that is Brexit to believe this bulls#it, knock yourself out.



You could bother to read this but seeing as it makes a mockery of your point, I doubt you will

The European Parliament (EP) is the only parliamentary institution of the European Union (EU) that is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. Together with the Council of the European Union (also known as the 'Council'), which should not be confused with the European Council and the Council of Europe, it exercises the legislative function of the EU. The Parliament is composed of 751 members (MEPs), that will become 705 starting from the 2019–2024 legislature (because specific provisions adopted about Brexit), who represent the second-largest democratic electorate in the world (after the Parliament of India) and the largest trans-national democratic electorate in the world (375 million eligible voters in 2009).[3][4][5]

It has been directly elected by the European citizens (each EU Member State's national has his state's nationality and EU one consequently) every five years and by universal suffrage since 1979. However, voter turnout at European Parliament elections has fallen consecutively at each election since that date, and has been under 50% since 1999. Voter turnout in 2014 stood at 42.54% of all European voters.[6]

Although the European Parliament has legislative power, as does the Council, they do not formally possess legislative initiative (it is for the European Commission), as most national parliaments of European Union member states do.[7][8] The Parliament is the "first institution" of the EU (mentioned first in the treaties, having ceremonial precedence over all authority at European level),[9] and shares equal legislative and budgetary powers with the Council (except in a few areas where the special legislative procedures apply). It likewise has equal control over the EU budget. Finally, the European Commission, the executive body of the EU (it exercises executive powers but no legislative ones), is accountable to Parliament. In particular, Parliament elects the President of the Commission, and approves (or rejects) the appointment of the Commission as a whole. It can subsequently force the Commission as a body to resign by adopting a motion of censure.[7]

The President of the European Parliament (Parliament's speaker) is Antonio Tajani (EPP), elected in January 2017. He presides over a multi-party chamber, the two largest groups being the Group of the European People's Party (EPP) and the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D). The last union-wide elections were the 2014 elections.

The European Parliament has three places of work – Brussels (Belgium), the city of Luxembourg (Luxembourg) and Strasbourg (France). Luxembourg is home to the administrative offices (the "General Secretariat"). Meetings of the whole Parliament ("plenary sessions") take place in Strasbourg and in Brussels. Committee meetings are held in Brussels.[10][11]

could you trouble yourself to explain to me why the French want a referendum on leaving the eu ? and the Italians...…………..

and why it isn't being allowed by macron ?

 

[Chasey]

Brexit news: Italy to CRASH OUT of Euro causing banking crisis in the EU claims economist | World | News | Express.co.uk
Sorry to resurrect this thread again but..................... in the words of Paul Weller, lights go out and the walls come tumbling down! ! Maybe eh ?

Is that the same Italy that the EU is using to mediate between UK and Germany on Brexit to try to get the UK to stay in?

Italy's "crashing out of the Euro" would be because the failed to meet the minimum requirements for use of the Euro rather than any specific dislike of it. Italy has a long running feud with Germany but I see no evidence of any desire to leave the EU?

 

[Chasey]

the problem we have now , in my humble opinion , is no longer leaving the eu , it's the tremendous hash being made of it by our elected officials who are pro remain !

I firmly believe if we had said 2 years ago , were off and keeping our money and threw ourselves into standing on our own we would be in a much better place than we find ourselves now after two years of bugger all but nonsense !

we could have had a free trade deal with japan by now...……………..

Typically trade deals take 6-10 years to negotiate, so thats unlikely

And if we had renaged on our contracts with the EU, you dont believe the EU sanctions against the UK would have troubled us just a little bit?

 

[Chasey]

could you trouble yourself to explain to me why the French want a referendum on leaving the eu ? and the Italians...…………..

and why it isn't being allowed by macron ?

Its not being allowed because to have a referendum on such an issue would be idiotic.

As we have clearly demonstrated to the rest of Europe, its a disaster

NO ONE thinks a No Deal Brexit is a good idea except people who have no understanding of the true implications of a No Deal Brexit or the few people who directly stand to gain from it.

 

[tackb]

Is that the same Italy that the EU is using to mediate between UK and Germany on Brexit to try to get the UK to stay in?

Italy's "crashing out of the Euro" would be because the failed to meet the minimum requirements for use of the Euro rather than any specific dislike of it. Italy has a long running feud with Germany but I see no evidence of any desire to leave the EU?

I deal with Italy and i'm afraid you are wrong on this point , they want out

 

[tackb]

Typically trade deals take 6-10 years to negotiate, so thats unlikely

And if we had renaged on our contracts with the EU, you dont believe the EU sanctions against the UK would have troubled us just a little bit?

well wto will do while we sort it out , i'm pretty sure that's what it's for ?

 

[tackb]

Its not being allowed because to have a referendum on such an issue would be idiotic. or not , considering ultimately it's the people who should decide unless you are a fan of dictatorships?

As we have clearly demonstrated to the rest of Europe, its a disaster is it ? is it really ? and you know this despite the fact we haven't left yet? sounds like more project fear to me !

NO ONE thinks a No Deal Brexit is a good idea except people who have no understanding of the true implications of a No Deal Brexit or the few people who directly stand to gain from it. again , you seem pretty sure of this , sure enough to speak for everyone !

 

[Woodsmoke]

Nissan cancel plans to make the Xtrail in the UKs Sunderland plan now that Japan have a free trade deel with the EU

Yes, but the X-Trail has never been part of the UK manufacturing plan for Nissan from the outset. They've always been manufactured in Japan, so it's a case of maintaining the status quo. It's a small volume model in a shrinking market anyway, so it really makes little difference overall. It's not as though Sunderland is going to be losing jobs, nor were any new jobs to be created.

It's a non-event, in all aspects of the phrase

 

[jimmy milnes]

Is that the same Italy that the EU is using to mediate between UK and Germany on Brexit to try to get the UK to stay in?

Italy's "crashing out of the Euro" would be because the failed to meet the minimum requirements for use of the Euro rather than any specific dislike of it. Italy has a long running feud with Germany but I see no evidence of any desire to leave the EU?

Would it not be in Italian interest for Great Britain to stay in the EU given that it seems to be on its knees needing cash bailouts from the EU that's going to be a little cash strapped soon ? So if I was Italy I'd be happy to do some mediation work too !!

 

[zambezi]

...However, voter turnout at European Parliament elections has fallen consecutively at each election since that date, and has been under 50% since 1999. Voter turnout in 2014 stood at 42.54% of all European voters.

The EP electoral voting decline looks remarkably like voter apathy. Why might that be? I suggest that voter apathy is borne out of frustration that the European Parliament consistently fails to deliver on individual voter group/national desire for meaningful representation. And with the advent of Article 16, nation state ability to truly influence anything was further nullified.

I would further suggest that the record UK 2016 refrendum voter turnout [72%] is the positive flip side manifestation of that same EU induced apathy: Despite huge money thrown at Project Fear, the electorate realised that their voice was being lost in the noise of the EU cake mixer. EP is a parody of democracy. It is a normalisation mechanism. A federal averaging system. At best. A rubber stamp for EU policy with a nod to democracy, mostly.

 

[enfieldspares]

It's not as though Sunderland is going to be losing jobs, nor were any new jobs to be created. It's a non-event, in all aspects of the phrase

No it isn't. Unfortunately not. The Business Secretary has just confirmed in the House of Commons that it would have created an additional seven hundred, new jobs, at the Nissan Sunderland plant over and above those currently employed there.