So . . . .

[User00025]

Not sure what that has to do with the discussion of finite world resources and the need to find a sustainable model not based on growth?

The mess we are in was surely predictable, without a plan and proposition. The country voted for this mess so no point Brexiters moaning about it now they knew what they were voting for.

Personally I cast my vote to LEAVE THE EU. That means to me the same as a General Election, action as soon as the votes are counted set up and straight into the job.
With regards to the s...e we find ourselves in, I had a vain hope, maybe a dream, that our Government would do as they promised. Unfortunately the main parliamentarians involved were remainers and then we had people inspired by large business organisations, people like you, and also others eg Gina Miller who can't accept that Remain lost the vote. None of whom have the guts to back Britain and have the facility to move their interests elsewhere at it would seem the drop of a hat. If only we had a Gov't that would produce laws that declared "Set up here and you have to stay" which they all would have signed up to in the good times. You can argue all you like for remain etc but to me you should leave this country now and go to Europe because you certainly are not a True Brit in my view, or in other words "Get out of my kitchen if you are too hot".

 

[zambezi]

There's no one in the EU 27 growing baby runner beans in February! And labour costs to harvest UK veg will increase post Brexit.

Brit veg growing innovation [hydroponics on an industrial scale] at Thanetearth may well be the fore runner in what looks to be one solution in a labour-lite means of sustainable veg in the UK post brexit. The future's bright...

 

[Freeforester]

I know that Rees-Mogg make the point that tropical fruit will be cheaper after leaving the EU. Apparently they will be. And indeed, as I've written here before in the Working Mens' Clubs of the Midlands the talk is of little else of the price of kumquats after Brexit. The same Rees-Mogg that is of course said to be exploring some scale of re-locating to Dublin.

However the small additional money that I'll gain through cheaper oranges will be more that lost in the increased taxes we'll have to find to pay benefits to those who will lose their jobs by 2020 as a direct consequence of Brexit if there is a No Deal. And all because Bozo Johnson wants to be Prime Minister just like his Bullingdon pal Cameron was.

But a lot of the veg that we see imported from Egypt, Kenya, Morocco and from outside the EU is because it is seasonal produce that is in season in warmer climes but definitely out of season anywhere in the UK. There's no one in the EU 27 growing baby runner beans in February! And labour costs to harvest UK veg will increase post Brexit. Brits won't pick do the work at any price and our farmers can't afford to mechanise it.

Bit like bananas then, eh?

 

[oowee]

Personally I cast my vote to LEAVE THE EU. That means to me the same as a General Election, action as soon as the votes are counted set up and straight into the job.
With regards to the s...e we find ourselves in, I had a vain hope, maybe a dream, that our Government would do as they promised. Unfortunately the main parliamentarians involved were remainers and then we had people inspired by large business organisations, people like you, and also others eg Gina Miller who can't accept that Remain lost the vote. None of whom have the guts to back Britain and have the facility to move their interests elsewhere at it would seem the drop of a hat. If only we had a Gov't that would produce laws that declared "Set up here and you have to stay" which they all would have signed up to in the good times. You can argue all you like for remain etc but to me you should leave this country now and go to Europe because you certainly are not a True Brit in my view, or in other words "Get out of my kitchen if you are too hot".

A bit like North Korea then.. Born here you have to stay lovely .
It really does not matter who is at the helm if there is no course to steer.

 

[zambezi]

It really does not matter who is at the helm if there is no course to steer.

Huh? So...without the EU at the helm we are adrift, helpless, sans metier, bereft. Is that it?

I don't understand that mindset one iota. It's as though all remainers are the Brussels alter ego of the Stepford Wives.

 

[oowee]

Huh? So...without the EU at the helm we are adrift, helpless, sans metier, bereft. Is that it?

I don't understand that mindset one iota. It's as though all remainers are the Brussels alter ego of the Stepford Wives.

Nothing to do with the EU lets not blame everyone else for something of our own making.
What do people want? When you can answer that you can deliver it.

 

[bowji john]

I know what I wanted - to escape the EU

Now that could have been done on amicable terms with a future trading arrangement or on hostile terms

I understand that the EU cannot/will not agree to a pragmatic solution - partially because the EU is idealist and partially because it cannot do so without being fatally wounded

That is not our problem - that's there's

Our problem is with an intransigent and unrepresentative Parliament and globalist corps that desire total control

When I voted out I merely wanted to be free of the EU, its laws, courts and restrictive practices

Now I want more - I want to see the EU destroyed and a return to Nation States

 

[zambezi]

What do people want?

Pretty sure Leave contributors on this thread have made very clear the answer you seek, but perhaps a bullet point synopsis for brevity:

☻ Restoration of Westminster and the High Court as tertiary UK institutions in respective roles
☻ Full control of domestic fishing waters
☻ Full border control
☻ Freedom to enter into trade deals brokered apart from the EU


Really not bothered if Tarquin's pre-PPE gap year is hampered with additional admin sorting out visas, or if petulant EUrocrats artificially skew trade opportunites for a season, nor that I may no longer source Kholrabi at Waitrose. Yup, I may need to pay more tax in the short term. Not bothered. The big stuff is the big stuff. That's what people want.

 

[Pine Marten]

You can argue all you like for remain etc but to me you should leave this country now and go to Europe because you certainly are not a True Brit in my view, or in other words "Get out of my kitchen if you are too hot".

So that's at least 48% of the UK electorate who are, in your view, not as British as you are? Actually, a very old friend of mine and his family were round last weekend, and announced they're moving to Copenhagen. He's as English as you could ever hope for. Blond hair. Shouts at the rugby ref, wears an England shirt, thinks he can speak French but can't really, he's just shouting. He said, and I quote, "Brexiters tell me that if I love the EU so much, I should just fXXX off there. Well, OK, I will then. Which is a shame really, because with us all leaving, that's about three nurses or teachers salaries removed from the tax base".

I very much doubt they will be the last to follow that route.

 

[oowee]

Pretty sure Leave contributors on this thread have made very clear the answer you seek, but perhaps a bullet point synopsis for brevity:

☻ Restoration of Westminster and the High Court as tertiary UK institutions in respective roles
☻ Full control of domestic fishing waters
☻ Full border control
☻ Freedom to enter into trade deals brokered apart from the EU


Really not bothered if Tarquin's pre-PPE gap year is hampered with additional admin sorting out visas, or if petulant EUrocrats artificially skew trade opportunites for a season, nor that I may no longer source Kholrabi at Waitrose. Yup, I may need to pay more tax in the short term. Not bothered. The big stuff is the big stuff. That's what people want.

There is no mandate for anything listed above. Just because a few members on here have chosen to fantasize about what leaving might involve does not make it right. The only mandate is to leave the EU. Unfortunately its left to everyone to decide what that means.
What is certainly the case is that the nation never voted for a session of self harm and flagellation.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Pretty sure Leave contributors on this thread have made very clear the answer you seek, but perhaps a bullet point synopsis for brevity:

☻ Restoration of Westminster and the High Court as tertiary UK institutions in respective roles
☻ Full control of domestic fishing waters
☻ Full border control
☻ Freedom to enter into trade deals brokered apart from the EU


Really not bothered if Tarquin's pre-PPE gap year is hampered with additional admin sorting out visas, or if petulant EUrocrats artificially skew trade opportunites for a season, nor that I may no longer source Kholrabi at Waitrose. Yup, I may need to pay more tax in the short term. Not bothered. The big stuff is the big stuff. That's what people want.

They have and it's not as complicated or considered as you set out above. They simply wish to "leave" and the rest is tiresome baggage.

K

 

[User00025]

So that's at least 48% of the UK electorate who are, in your view, not as British as you are? Actually, a very old friend of mine and his family were round last weekend, and announced they're moving to Copenhagen. He's as English as you could ever hope for. Blond hair. Shouts at the rugby ref, wears an England shirt, thinks he can speak French but can't really, he's just shouting. He said, and I quote, "Brexiters tell me that if I love the EU so much, I should just fXXX off there. Well, OK, I will then. Which is a shame really, because with us all leaving, that's about three nurses or teachers salaries removed from the tax base".

I very much doubt they will be the last to follow that route.

I thought when I retired I had finished persecuting Mustelids. I will have to get some more Fenn Mk 6 I think, cos they keep reappearing from the South.

 

[User00025]

A bit like North Korea then.. Born here you have to stay lovely .
It really does not matter who is at the helm if there is no course to steer.

Can't be bothered with you anymore, went out and shot 2 Does in between, think I'll now go and get another, that's the best course to steer.

 

[Olaf]

I would have walked the first week, stood my ground and said "What are you going to do now? Or are things staying the same? You want trade,we want trade,who blinks first". Our politicians and just under half that voted have no guts.

 

[Jon Smith]

 

[Chasey]

The expectations of people who want to leave the EU are laughable

We will continue to mirror EU law to ensure we can get a trade deal with the EU

We will continue to abide by EU regulations because we need a trade deel with the EU

The control of the fishing waters agreement allowing fishing to within a 12mile border of the UK was formulated and signed in 1964 WELL BEFORE WE JOINED THE EU so stop suggesting the EU is to blame

Will McCallum, Greenpeace UK head of oceans, said leaving the convention would not in itself deliver a better future for the UK fishing industry, and that for years governments had blamed the EU for their "failure" to support the small-scale, sustainable fishers.

He said, for example, that the UK had had the power since 2013 to decide how to allocate its EU fishing quota but that a report by Greenpeace in 2016 had found almost two thirds of that quota was concentrated in the hands of three companies.

He said the UK would also still be bound by the UN convention of the law of the seas - which requires cooperation with neighbours.

But Mr McCallum said he was "excited" that the government was making fishing a priority, after fearing fishing communities would end up "at the bottom of the heap" amidst complex Brexit negotiations.

Environmental law firm ClientEarth consultant Dr Tom West said the move appeared to be an aggressive negotiating tactic.

"As a country outside the EU we need to consider how we can best co-operate with our neighbours, rather than unilaterally withdrawing from all agreements in the hope that standing alone will make us better."


And the price for all this rhetoric and nonsense?

Five of the largest banks in the UK have moved over 750billion pounds of capital to European banks in the last two years

Euro Exchange handling worth 228 Billion Euros A DAY is being transferred to Amsterdam

It is estimated over 7000 jobs will be lost in the financial services sector alone as a result of this

Theres been a 10% drop in the £ causing inflation and forcing the Bank of England to instigate interest rate rises.

The Bank of England is warning that credit is drying up as banks refuse business loans and investment due to uncertainty over out future

Media companies including the BBC are transferring to EU based offices in order to maintain Europe wide licences. Universal, Sony Chub and Panasonic are shutting down in the UK to move to the Euro Zone

With the loss of the EMA reviews on new drugs are being moved to Europe and this is significantly affecting jobs in this sector

Theres been a huge drop in our GDP and we are running over 2% below target for 2019

Theres a 46% drop in investment in the Auto Industry and Jaguar Land rover have announced 4500 jobs are to go

And it hasn't even happened yet.

This is just in response to fears that it will happen

The UK government promised Nissan 61 million pounds of tax payers money in compensation for Brexit if they continued production plans for the Xtrail in the UK

They still said no

THER PRICE OF BREXIT IS TOO HIGH & The benefits are way too small to compensate for it

 

[Chasey]

Personally I cast my vote to LEAVE THE EU. That means to me the same as a General Election, action as soon as the votes are counted set up and straight into the job.
With regards to the s...e we find ourselves in, I had a vain hope, maybe a dream, that our Government would do as they promised. Unfortunately the main parliamentarians involved were remainers and then we had people inspired by large business organisations, people like you, and also others eg Gina Miller who can't accept that Remain lost the vote. None of whom have the guts to back Britain and have the facility to move their interests elsewhere at it would seem the drop of a hat. If only we had a Gov't that would produce laws that declared "Set up here and you have to stay" which they all would have signed up to in the good times. You can argue all you like for remain etc but to me you should leave this country now and go to Europe because you certainly are not a True Brit in my view, or in other words "Get out of my kitchen if you are too hot".

In a General Election, the party's trying to get elected promise a load of unachievable rubbish in or order to get elected then totally fail to deliver on it which is EXACTLY what the leave campaign are doing

Down side with Brexit is we cant vote to change things four and a half years later when "the majority" finally figure out they were lied to

 

[User00025]

Oh dear you are awake again! I thought you had hibernated.

 

[african jack]

Chasey time to move to Turkey as the Kurds will be coming for you when they have finished with Deash enjoy while you can a bit more for you to worry about

 

[User00035]

I know what I wanted - to escape the EU

Now that could have been done on amicable terms with a future trading arrangement or on hostile terms

I understand that the EU cannot/will not agree to a pragmatic solution - partially because the EU is idealist and partially because it cannot do so without being fatally wounded

That is not our problem - that's there's

Our problem is with an intransigent and unrepresentative Parliament and globalist corps that desire total control

When I voted out I merely wanted to be free of the EU, its laws, courts and restrictive practices

Now I want more - I want to see the EU destroyed and a return to Nation States

When it comes to the Northern Ireland border, the EU will never agree to anything that doesn't involve either the annexation and retention of Northern Ireland with a border down the Irish sea or the abandonment of Brexit altogether so the whole of the UK remains in the EU.
This has nothing to do with honouring the Good Friday Agreement (which their backstop agreed with May breaches), nor with the preservation of peace or the technical difficulty (non-existent) of managing a frictionless border with technology.
It has everything to do with the fact that they are terrified of having people living within the EU's overpriced, protectionist customs union in the Republic of Ireland being able to walk across an invisible land border unchecked and into the free world where they can buy a wider range of equal or better quality goods at a cheaper price. Because if that happens the penny will drop for 5 million people in Ireland that the Emperor really does have no clothes, and that realisation will spread like a contagion across the EU. Then their tower of Babel will start to collapse. That is what they call "protecting the integrity" of the single market.