I dont sell dead deer, so I'm happy to & aim to smash at least one front shoulder, if not both. I usually only take the back wheels & backstraps & avoid having to open up a carcass. If I hit a fallow doe at 100m with a balistic tip from a 270 wby in the shoulder, who cares I dont take the shoulder anyway.
Deer calibers and bullets, Meat loss?
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Slickshot
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I assume the "right spot" is the head? Because aside from head shots, I have shot deer all over the place with various types and weights of bullet and ALWAYS get some meet damage?
One of the worst I have seen was a 30 06 180g (could have been a 150 but think it was 180)
This is the exit side on a yearling Fallow
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Not at all.. don’t head shoot if I can help of it! The reason you got so much damage is because your hit the shoulder bone! I tuck the bullet in the arm pit & use a good expanding bullet with penetration!
Poor shot placement gives you results like about!
If don’t want meat damage don’t shoot......if your going to shoot your going to get some degree of meat damage ....I’m not going into head shots or sh1tstrom that may stir up
As for using nosler partitions ?
Maybe would but don’t see why pay nearly double the price of Sierra game kings and they do a great job for me
( tinhat on)
Agree with what said .......some stuff definitely designed to catch the stalker not the deer
Paul
As for using nosler partitions ?
Maybe would but don’t see why pay nearly double the price of Sierra game kings and they do a great job for me
( tinhat on
)Agree with what said .......some stuff definitely designed to catch the stalker not the deer
Paul
Yes, I understand what you are saying but if you are out waiting for crows and a fox presents itself for the taking and there isnt take to swap from forty grain to fifty grain what do you do, also some bullets might have a different point of impact
Unless I am just going out for rabbits(.22lr used) then I will carry my 6.5 if doing personal foxing/stalking and if I am doing paid deer control then it's the 270. Both all species legal. I shoot a lot of deer compared to foxes this is why I dont have a "foxing" chambered rifle. This morning I shot 1 fox in the head, a sika and a roe through the shoulders, all with the 270 no problems, if or buts. All dead on the spot, deer in the larder ready for game dealer. Dead is dead.
James0586
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I believe you are overthinking this scenario a little if I’m honest.
Think of it like this....
My rifle is a 6.5x55 it fires 140gr SST as I have said previously It kills everything from muntjac to red.
So I have paid big money to stalk a gold medal red stag. one comes out I line it up and pull the trigger.
If the stars align it’s dead.
On my way home I stop at a friends house and we go stalking Muntjac.
Guess what??
I use the same rifle and bullets.... I know the set up the ammo and how it handles.
I understand what your trying to say however you would look like rambo walking around the fields if you took a rifle with you for every eventuality....
If I’m going solely foxing I will take my 22.250 if a deer comes out honestly I’m knackered.
If I’m on the deer (any species) I take my 6.5x55 and a fox comes out it’s dead.
foxdropper
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Is a gold medal stag any bigger body than a royal ,if not then I’d still take the .243 and 100 gr
Sonicdmb73
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I have a choice of various rifles. Like you one of them is a 270 it will kill every legal quarry I have. I don’t think it is the best choice for each. But it will work.
In answer to your question about the 40 vs 50 grain in my 20 Tac. The 40’s will do a series amount of damage internally to a fox. But I would be more careful to avoid the leg/shoulder in case it didn’t penetrate fully.
A picatinny rail sorts a swap from one load to another I can have a different scope for each.
My 243 I have to start again with load development again. As H4350 is no more.
So I intend to try some 85 grain hpbt game kings as well as the 87 Vmax I use already. A mate had them shooting same poi. Hopefully I can do the same so my Roe rifle is also my big foxing rifle.
Sonicdmb73
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I can’t tell you I’m not overly familiar with the CIC measurements vs body size. What would you take if it was bigger?
James0586
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6.5x55 for me as previously saidI can’t tell you I’m not overly familiar with the CIC measurements vs body size. What would you take if it was bigger?
foxdropper
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243 mate with 100gr win xxx .Nothing in Britain that can’t be felled with that combo .
I assume the "right spot" is the head? Because aside from head shots, I have shot deer all over the place with various types and weights of bullet and ALWAYS get some meet damage?
One of the worst I have seen was a 30 06 180g (could have been a 150 but think it was 180)
This is the exit side on a yearling Fallow
Not surprised at the damage, the shot was too high and has wrecked both shoulders and the front end of the spine. Bone does tend to break up or redirect bullets.
Read it again. In that situation I would take the same shot. Once a deer is wounded and running it doesn't matter where you hit it and what meat you may lose. You need to get it on the deck asap! If shooting it up the arse stops it from getting away and dying slowly, then shooting it up the arse is the right thing to do.
Yes, but suppose an intervening branch, or fence wire caused your well aimed shot to miss a gold medal stag by a few inches, what would rather have? Remember ""You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." What if your only shot is when backside, is your only shot?capt david
That's fair enough. It's not a task that we will encounter all that often if we choose our shots properly in the first place. That said, it is worth a small amount of consideration. I do like my bullets for deer shooting to exit, and that same requirement would help with a rear end shot. I only shoot small deer generally so it's not so much of an issue for me, most things will work.
There are so many "what if's" in stalking that if we worried about them all we'd never pull the trigger or even carry a rifle!
foxdropper
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Your writing in riddles mate ,suppose I wait until the beast is clear and then shoot it broadside ,slightly high and it’s dead in the spot .
Setting out to allow for things to go wrong has never been my motto .
Come off it. There’s not a bullet made that is guaranteed to travel in a straight line after hitting something.
kenbro
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Have they made a rifle that does the job when everything goes wrong? If so, I need one.
Regards,Ken.
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