TVP Mandatory Medical Reoprt Official Policy
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Orion
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Far too confrontational for them to even attempt that! Better to continue with the softly, softly approach and continue to be treated as an irrelevance.
Quite agree, I have witnessed the softly, softly approach having lived through having my pistols banned, my semi auto centre fire rifle banned and now the mars actions. Softly, softly has gained us nothing of any significance, time to take the gloves off or the future of shooting in this country is finite.
Personally I don’t mind paying a small fee for the doctor to release a medical report as it is relevant to safety. However, the fee charged is not standardised. The BMA are a union, so more reactive than proactive, while the GMC are not interested in fee standardisation. I understand that the BASC are now dealing with the NHS. I’m sorry to say that it’s inevitable that police forces will put the onus on the applicant as far as providing a medical report goes as this reduces both their workload and costs. I don’t think there’s any coming back from this. However, a reasonable fee must be set and adhered to.
Next up, Psychological screening?
Benelli m2
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This is not right mandatory means it's the law well the government makes the laws and they have not made this the law
The police are in the wrong to make it the law this should be looked into
The police are in the wrong to make it the law this should be looked into
Until someone challenges it in a court of law and a judge deems it to not be mandatory, then I'm afraid the cops can make it mandatory.
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Bruce
Orion
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I keep banging on about this but ..........
The elephant in the room, which is conveniently being ignored by most of the organisations, is that there is no requirement, statutory or otherwise, for any GP to place the ‘enduring marker’ on the medical record to ensure continuing monitoring of the FAC holder, and if anyone believes that the GPs can be compelled to do it, then they need to wake up and rejoin the real world.
So without the marker what is the purpose of the medical evidence scheme as negotiated by the organisations? Nothing more that yet another stick to beat lawful firearms owners, with zero benefit to them and very little for anyone else. It’s shameful.
Benelli m2
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I see lots of empty cabinets
Albifrons
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Very appropriately, I had an invoice from my GP practice today of £60, after they had a request for my medical suitability from S Wales police. This is for a grant for a FAC.
Contacted BASC and they told me to ignore it for the present time.
If SWP insisted they needed my med records, I would have to pay the fee.
Contacted BASC and they told me to ignore it for the present time.
If SWP insisted they needed my med records, I would have to pay the fee.
Benelli m2
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The police made this law if they ****ing want it they should pay
Police Scotland started this whole "no GP report = no certificate" crap back in April 2016, but because all the police forces in England and Wales were following the HOG and issuing certs without a GP report, nobody south of the border really gave a ****.
Now that more and more English and Welsh forces have started the same crap as we've had up here for more than 3 years, you're all howling about it.
You can moan about this as much as you want but the bottom line is that unless there is a judicial review of a specific police forces policy on this matter and it's found to be legally at fault, or if an applicant is refused a certificate purely on the grounds of the police not getting a GP report and the applicant then appeals the refusal to the court and wins the appeal, each police force will continue interpreting the HOG in their own way and we'll see more and more police forces implementing a "no GP report = no certificate" interpretation of the HOG.
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Bruce
Benelli m2
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When the **** are we going to get real no police force don't want us to have firearms this is why all this crap is going on
And it will get harder
What gh hell is wrong with the old style no response from the gp after 21 day's then all goes through
And it will get harder
What gh hell is wrong with the old style no response from the gp after 21 day's then all goes through
You can rant all you want, but unless the police are challenged in the courts or the next version of the HOG makes it clear what the police can and cannot do, the situation is not going to change.
Cheers
Bruce
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Bruce
Benelli m2
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Police don't take any notice of HOG they make their own rules
Benelli m2
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And you are right it won't change it WiLL get worse
That's not old-style - that's new-style!
The first question in my mind is what the hell was wrong the the actual old-style of declaring any declarable medical conditions on your application/renewal form, and signing the bit that gives your GPs permission to answer any questions the FLD might ask them?
In practice the new-style deviation from the old-style described above appears simply to have been an exercise in unjustifiably shifting cost and effort onto the applicant, and putting GP-shaped obstacles in the way of applications.
In fact, an entirely predicitable outcome of the initial proposals - something which is therefore not likely to have taken the HO and the Police entirely by surprise; nor to be viewed by them with displeasure, given that it meets what appears to be their ongoing agenda.
If we allow that assessment of the situtation, my second question has to be 'Why did any of our organisations even vaguely approve of any of this nonsense?'
I've got my renewal this year so will be interested to see what happens with your grant.
I have heard rumblings that s.wales would also be following the "no medical,no certificate" line.
ATB dave
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