Fox Shooting Calendar

[jamross65]

John ,we have had this discussion on another forum and i see your views are unchanged .The fox has as much right to life as a deer in my book and is treated with equallity.
Just to reinforce my veiws on your last sentence ,digging with a terier is as humane as a gun shot mate so get real and try to only comment on what you know to be fact and not what youve heard .Fox control goes on all year round with me where its necessary but cubs are dealt with first as in taking a roe kid first for best practice .Vixens only kill in excess to provide the cubs with food,no cubs and the killing stops ,fact .Too many lads trigger happy ,and thats what it is ,shooting for the sake of pulling the trigger using the vermin excuse to justify condemming a litter .What do you think happens to that gralloch that youve left in the hedge .It dosn't evaporate ,no charlie mops it up.Control not eradication is the key word here ,something overlooked by many so called custodians of the country side. In winter i would take a fox over anything but summer is a time for a more laid back approach .
Edited to say ive yet to see any proof that a dog fox helps feed at the den let alone a sister or cousin.

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[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

John ,we have had this discussion on another forum and i see your views are unchanged .The fox has as much right to life as a deer in my book and is treated with equallity.
Just to reinforce my veiws on your last sentence ,digging with a terier is as humane as a gun shot mate so get real and try to only comment on what you know to be fact and not what youve heard .Fox control goes on all year round with me where its necessary but cubs are dealt with first as in taking a roe kid first for best practice .Vixens only kill in excess to provide the cubs with food,no cubs and the killing stops ,fact .Too many lads trigger happy ,and thats what it is ,shooting for the sake of pulling the trigger using the vermin excuse to justify condemming a litter .What do you think happens to that gralloch that youve left in the hedge .It dosn't evaporate ,no charlie mops it up.Control not eradication is the key word here ,something overlooked by many so called custodians of the country side. In winter i would take a fox over anything but summer is a time for a more laid back approach .
Edited to say ive yet to see any proof that a dog fox helps feed at the den let alone a sister or cousin.

I have been keepering since 17 mate and have dug many litters and agree a dog is swift but not a great death (if there is such a thing). You cannot deny a cub is stressed and terrified by the dog up to the point of its death by any means.
Also you must shoot rabbits and rats which can have dependants at any time of year so get real yourself.
Foxes are vermin and should be treat as such.
Grallochs around here are snapped up by the many many badgers and buzzards who are protected and as such are allowed to live.
As I have said if the last 2 foxes in yorkshire crossed my path I would shoot them both TWICE for good masure.
All your years work can be undone by going easy and allowing a mother and cubs a break while you look for them.
Around my part of yorkshire about 30% of cropped land is oilseed rape and many litters are brought up in 100 acre fields of the stuff.
And family members will move and bring up cubs this is well known.

 

[swatty]

300 snares set 365 days a year is effectively 109,500 snares set over a year. For 120 foxes. By my calculations that is a success rate of about 0.109% (happy to be corrected as I'm no mathematician)

Sorry, I'll stick to shooting them from the car, with the heater on, and a flask of coffee. We used to average about 3 foxes a week for 4 outings a week - preferable odds.

I do admire your dedication though, and Finbear is correct, I would never aspire to be full time pheasant/partridge keeper. Looking after 500 birds is more than enough for me.

It was a chore and the percentages are low but when you have 600 to 1500 pheasants in a pen and it only takes one fox to get in kill 200 and 300 fly out over the wire to be victims of every other predator out there considering each of them birds is worth between £26 and £30 per bird percentages dont factor the onlt percantage as a commercial shoot keeper that i worried about was my bird return as if it wasnt 25 plus % then i was out of a job simple so if it ment working 24 hours a day then im afraid needs must just to clarify we never shot one fox in the lamp but lamped twice or more times a week the ground in question wasnt really open enough to lamp effectivly so snares were the only way along with fox drives when suitable to work around the birds its suprising how easily you can lay 300 wires 2o pens with a brash ride around maybe 25 wire in each ride soon eats up your quota along with all the other oppotunitys for places for them it n ot that hard to use that many

 

[swatty]

I have been keepering since 17 mate and have dug many litters and agree a dog is swift but not a great death (if there is such a thing). You cannot deny a cub is stressed and terrified by the dog up to the point of its death by any means.
Also you must shoot rabbits and rats which can have dependants at any time of year so get real yourself.
Foxes are vermin and should be treat as such.
Grallochs around here are snapped up by the many many badgers and buzzards who are protected and as such are allowed to live.
As I have said if the last 2 foxes in yorkshire crossed my path I would shoot them both TWICE for good masure.
All your years work can be undone by going easy and allowing a mother and cubs a break while you look for them.
Around my part of yorkshire about 30% of cropped land is oilseed rape and many litters are brought up in 100 acre fields of the stuff.
And family members will move and bring up cubs this is well known.

afraid im with you john on this best fox is a dead one

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

I've just read f.d. post again and it seems he says he's serious about fox control but will let the litters get on top to feed his sport with the lamp and quell his ethics.
I have no issues about this.
But when you run a shoot or are involved through work you cannot afford such luxuarys and foxes have to be killed all year round regardless of breeding seasons, and all this is quite legal and above board.
I wonder why???

 

[foxdropper]

You may have re-read my post but you never took it in .I said control goes on all year round where needed ,a big difference from shooting foxes randomly im sure youll agree .Fox control is no replacement for habitat which im sure youll agree with too but some keepers seem to think that it takes precidence for propper bird production .Ive been involved with keepering on a professional level and took my control very seriously but never sold out to the let them die theory and always dealt with cubs first and formost .Judging from your posts on the thl and here its very plain that you are one of lifes wildlife abusers that treat wildlife as meer pound notes ,something i despise. To you ,everything is numbers ,ive met your sort before and soon learnt to distance myself from them .When was the last time you studied without shooting ,doubt youve ever watched a fox hunting without the burning desire to kill it .This ,in my opinion makes the man worth talking to and not a numbers boy to be dismissed.Try producing quality over quantity and you may be surprised .

 

[swatty]

,doubt youve ever watched a fox hunting without the burning desire to kill it .This ,in my opinion makes the man worth talking to and not a numbers boy to be dismissed.Try producing quality over quantity and you may be surprised .
not in my case fox dropper i think a fox is a fantastic animal but it has no place in producing quality pheasants if you were involed in keepering you would know this ,a fox is enemy no 1 the ultimate shame for a keeper is to have a lovely fat fox run out of his drive past a team of guns as for quality over quantity whats that all about there is no point in having quality if there aint no quantity in the first place or am i missing something . ps ive some quality ground for stalking but heres not a deer in a 100 miles if you fancy a stalk

 

[foxdropper]

The quality over quantity was aimed specifically at john mate and he will know what i mean but wont write about it .The whole keepering thing i understand mate but there really is more to it than meer killing.We ,here in are lucky in that hunting sits side by side with shooting in some places and its no embarssment at all to see a fox on a drive ,quite the reverse .Quality birds can and are shown alongside a small fox population which is what im talking about ,control not eradication .

 

[cookingfat]

But when you run a shoot or are involved through work you cannot afford such luxuarys and foxes have to be killed all year round regardless of breeding seasons, and all this is quite legal and above board.

could not agree more with this, I keeper a shoot with a good population of wild grays and i use all methods that are legal all year round to control foxs.

Anthony

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

Exactly, if you were involved in keepering propley f.d. you would agree foxes should be irradicated.
Quality, quantity sorry i've missed something ??
And pound notes, yes shoots must survive and 100 dead poults today, maybe only a death of a few 100 pounds and time food, fuel and labour, but at £30 in november its a big deal.
So much so that jobs depend on it.
Stop playing at the game and do it proper.
Also you have not yet told me if you dont shoot rabbits or trap rats as they can have young all year round and thats the truth.
When a rat is eating holes in your shed or rabbits are eating your greens isnt this down to pound notes and the time and effort you've put into planting them?
Like me you have double standards or don't rat kits have the same right for life as fox or deer??
££££'s pays my bills mate just because i choose to make my living out of the woods doesn't make me a bad man.
Don't know what you do for a living but if someone cost you perhaps £500 before breakfast would you be happy? And would you let it happen again?
If you answer truthfully you know the answer to that.
If you had been a keeper and gone to a pen and found maybe 80-90 poults with their heads off and you know she will be back you might see things a little different.
Perhaps you should lobby to have a close season on foxes from feb to the end of may and see how quick your permissions disapear.
And as for numbers mate its not just me who plasters photos all over the web showing how many foxes/deer ive killed lately.

 

[trouble]

yorkshireroestalking , i think you should stick to roe stalking .Ive been a fulltime keeper for 28 years , fox control IS my stock and trade . The only way to keep numbers of any populations down is to kill females at all times of the year but especialy at breeding times . Dont slate the working terrier as "not a great death" no death is any better than another all you can do is hope its as swift as possible , one thing i can be sure of is no cub was ever wounded by a terrier where as i can be pretty sure lots of deer are wounded by guns every year . Be honest with yourself if not others

 

[Gazza]

Exactly, if you were involved in keepering propley f.d. you would agree foxes should be irradicated.
Quality, quantity sorry i've missed something ??
And pound notes, yes shoots must survive and 100 dead poults today, maybe only a death of a few 100 pounds and time food, fuel and labour, but at £30 in november its a big deal.
So much so that jobs depend on it.
Stop playing at the game and do it proper.
Also you have not yet told me if you dont shoot rabbits or trap rats as they can have young all year round and thats the truth.
When a rat is eating holes in your shed or rabbits are eating your greens isnt this down to pound notes and the time and effort you've put into planting them?
Like me you have double standards or don't rat kits have the same right for life as fox or deer??
££££'s pays my bills mate just because i choose to make my living out of the woods doesn't make me a bad man.
Don't know what you do for a living but if someone cost you perhaps £500 before breakfast would you be happy? And would you let it happen again?
If you answer truthfully you know the answer to that.
If you had been a keeper and gone to a pen and found maybe 80-90 poults with their heads off and you know she will be back you might see things a little different.
Perhaps you should lobby to have a close season on foxes from feb to the end of may and see how quick your permissions disapear.
And as for numbers mate its not just me who plasters photos all over the web showing how many foxes/deer ive killed lately.

And all this from a man who requires a paying stalking client to shoot foxes on a permission that he is contracted through his lease to shoot foxes on. HMMMM!!!

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

yorkshireroestalking , i think you should stick to roe stalking .Ive been a fulltime keeper for 28 years , fox control IS my stock and trade . The only way to keep numbers of any populations down is to kill females at all times of the year but especialy at breeding times . Dont slate the working terrier as "not a great death" no death is any better than another all you can do is hope its as swift as possible , one thing i can be sure of is no cub was ever wounded by a terrier where as i can be pretty sure lots of deer are wounded by guns every year . Be honest with yourself if not others

To start with it was a comparison meaning there is no good way for a cub to die.
I dont knock any terrier lads and use their services alot throughout the year and have many friends among the working dog lads.
I only called them out yesterday as there was a fox walked into a spinney where I have a false earth.
I feel you are turning this around, if foxing is your job then you must kill milky vixens (and will do all you can to find the litter of course) but surley will not give them an easy time in the spring when your birds are nesting?
Of course deer and foxes are wounded all the time by rifle and shotgun but lets not get into a wounding debate how many of your guns wound game birds?
You will employ how many pickers up on your shoot days? To try and retrieve those wounded birds.
How many are picked the day after or on the next shoot day? Do you spend all night looking for said birds? NO and next morning you will be busy feeding.
Lets not pull out game shootings dirty washing on here matey. This thread was about the foxing calander and not about wounding animals or birds.
I only made a comparison that there is NO good way for a fox cub in the earth to die.....HMMMM maybe we should have a close season NOT.

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

And all this from a man who requires a paying stalking client to shoot foxes on a permission that he is contracted through his lease to shoot foxes on. HMMMM!!!

Back to that little ditty eh!
There is nothing written on any lease to say I have to shoot foxes, it is by request of the landowner/keepers and I respect their wishes same as if it is hunting land and the landowner asks me to leave foxes then as much as it goes against the grain I also repect that.
As stated on that thread it is only on certain permissions and my game shoot it is insisted.
It now says on my price list foxes on certain land must be shot.
The client at booking can make the choice now if he wants to leave foxes and that dictates where we stalk.
With 12,000 acres on 14 venues it is of no consiquence and all sorted out before they arrive.
And i dont think trouble has read my earlier posts I to have keepered for most of my life since 17 I am now 44 you do the maths.

 

[foxdropper]

As regards rabbits and rats ,i have no interest in killing milky doe rabbits either and they dont breed all year round mate. All ratting is done with either ferrets or a smoker where all that dosnt bolt is destroyed .Make no mistake John ,my foxing is carried out methodically and very efficiently with no survivors if a litter needs dealing with and persistant offenders dealt with in winter.With all that pressure you must have i 'm certain you would not give the cubs a second thought on shooting a milky vixen .I also guess that you wouldnt follow up a wounded fox as there is no monetry reward for you in that is there .Keepers/stalkers of any merrit do not telerate any suffering of any sort in my book .You do yourself no favours by continually writing of your contempt for foxes.

 

[Roedinator]

John ,we have had this discussion on another forum and i see your views are unchanged .The fox has as much right to life as a deer in my book and is treated with equallity.
Just to reinforce my veiws on your last sentence ,digging with a terier is as humane as a gun shot mate so get real and try to only comment on what you know to be fact and not what youve heard .Fox control goes on all year round with me where its necessary but cubs are dealt with first as in taking a roe kid first for best practice .Vixens only kill in excess to provide the cubs with food,no cubs and the killing stops ,fact .Too many lads trigger happy ,and thats what it is ,shooting for the sake of pulling the trigger using the vermin excuse to justify condemming a litter .What do you think happens to that gralloch that youve left in the hedge .It dosn't evaporate ,no charlie mops it up.Control not eradication is the key word here ,something overlooked by many so called custodians of the country side. In winter i would take a fox over anything but summer is a time for a more laid back approach .
Edited to say ive yet to see any proof that a dog fox helps feed at the den let alone a sister or cousin.

foxdropper if your the bloke i think you are which is a good friend of martin ( reMington )
we have at least two things in common a good choice in friends
also a good ethical way in which we control foxs and shoot deer
martin has to come over to me for a trip on the does as he kindly got me my first muntie
your more than welcome to come along it will be a pleasure to stalk with

regards pete .

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

This thread wasn't about ethics, and my contempt of foxes is well known.(probably why I've never been invited to the hunt ball in the last 20 years)(am i bothered?)
Thats why I have so much land in this area as 90% of it is game shot and keepered.
If its not it has sheep or chickens.
All that to one side you keep guessing about my ethics and you have never met me and sit behind you keyboard and raise yourself morally above people who are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.
regards from a lower place John

 

[Roedinator]

john I have no problem with you whatsoever i have stalked with a very experienced friend
of yours on here and he speaks very highly of you and has stalked with you many times
as you mention earlier you started keepering at 17 and are now 44
I started keepering at 15 and am now 43 full time five years the rest part time .
we have different views how we go about things thats life .
if and when we meet i will shake your hand or you can buy me a beer
oh sorry your from yorkshire i will have to buy the beers then

regards pete .

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

john I have no problem with you whatsoever i have stalked with a very experienced friend
of yours on here and he speaks very highly of you and has stalked with you many times
as you mention earlier you started keepering at 17 and are now 44
I started keepering at 15 and am now 43 full time five years the rest part time .
we have different views how we go about things thats life .
if and when we meet i will shake your hand or you can buy me a beer
oh sorry your from yorkshire i will have to buy the beers then

regards pete .

I have short arms and deep pockets thats true, but have never missed my round.
And would gladly buy you a beer.

 

[finnbear270]

That's better now , isn't it?