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This thread wasn't about ethics, and my contempt of foxes is well known.(probably why I've never been invited to the hunt ball in the last 20 years)(am i bothered?)
Thats why I have so much land in this area as 90% of it is game shot and keepered.
If its not it has sheep or chickens.
All that to one side you keep guessing about my ethics and you have never met me and sit behind you keyboard and raise yourself morally above people who are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.
regards from a lower place John
Nothing wrong in the eyes of the law mate but do you not owe it to the sport as a whole to do things that are seen to be humane .I am the last person in this thread to preach about morals mate but i do like to see a job through to the end ,whatever it is .I too have plenty of ground but there will never be an orphan cub on any of it through my hand
 
This thread wasn't about ethics, and my contempt of foxes is well known.(probably why I've never been invited to the hunt ball in the last 20 years)(am i bothered?)
Thats why I have so much land in this area as 90% of it is game shot and keepered.
If its not it has sheep or chickens.
All that to one side you keep guessing about my ethics and you have never met me and sit behind you keyboard and raise yourself morally above people who are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.
regards from a lower place John

John, if you fancy some lamping the night before I come stalking with you...No problemo, ill bring the NV with me :0
 
I dont want to open this heated can of worms now that things have calmed down.
You all had your fair say and have more or less agread to differ, thats great.
I only saw the thread this morning and did not feel the need to comment then.
My interpratation of this dust up was that it looked like a north south devide, judging from the people that display there locations
From my own point of view i will shoot a fox at any given opportunity.
Is it fair to say that there could be more presure on a keeper the further north one travels.
I do believe that there are more foxes in the south and that they tend to be smaller and not range as far as in the north.
Only polite replies please
Cheers Ian
 
I dont want to open this heated can of worms now that things have calmed down.
You all had your fair say and have more or less agread to differ, thats great.
I only saw the thread this morning and did not feel the need to comment then.
My interpratation of this dust up was that it looked like a north south devide, judging from the people that display there locations
From my own point of view i will shoot a fox at any given opportunity.
Is it fair to say that there could be more presure on a keeper the further north one travels.
I do believe that there are more foxes in the south and that they tend to be smaller and not range as far as in the north.
Only polite replies please
Cheers Ian

I am in the south and i wont no foxs on my ground and will try to rid myself of them with any means that are leagal, I do shoot milky vixens if they present them selfs( the fact that there are cubs down the earth does pull on my heart strings and i do make all eferts to get them sorted ) I have freinds who shoot hundreds of foxs from the the top of trucks at night, and that is there sport, the same persons also put in a lot of hours lamping with me, they have never refused to shoot a fox when cubs are at the earth.
I guess all farms and est's are differant and every body has there own views on what is right for them, and on your ground what you do is right !!!!!!!!!


CF
 
Thank you very much for all of your replies. It is a bit of a shame it all got heated but from my point of view it has been very useful, I can feed a lot this debate into my various groups and get them thinking.
 
I provide Fox control on chicken farm,over the past 2 - 3 yrs we have shot approx 25 foxes
it does help the farmer ,and he still has problems with rogue foxes thatare dumped there by the RSPCA,at no time has the RSPCA consulted with him to see if there are any issues with financial loss or damage.

I have provided the farmer with a cage trap since I cannot be there 24 /7.
 
I provide Fox control on chicken farm,over the past 2 - 3 yrs we have shot approx 25 foxes
it does help the farmer ,and he still has problems with rogue foxes thatare dumped there by the RSPCA,at no time has the RSPCA consulted with him to see if there are any issues with financial loss or damage.

I have provided the farmer with a cage trap since I cannot be there 24 /7.

If you ever need a lift with them drop me a PM. Steve
 
Threads like this certainly give an insight as to whos company i would avoid .The fox is a worthy wintertime oponent and keepers would be lost without them to blame for a bad day .Winter lamping is as much a part of the job these days as the shoot day itself so who would want to see the last fox gone forever ,not me .
 
Where I beat the keeper leaves his foxes through the winter months, in fact goes out of his way to preserve them, for the after game shooting season fox hunts. Always alot of game on the ground even with foxes in every other covert. Once hunting has finished then there is an intense 'clean up', all the dens are checked regularly, lamping and into spring there are fox drives, plus we tidy a few up when deer stalking. Once rearing starts then they get alot less attention until the birds go to pen and there is always a litter to which appears somewhere to deal with. But once the pheasant and partridge are safely released then Charlie is welcomed back with open arms, its amazing how quickly the estate fills up again. As you can guess this is a purely reared birds shoot with very little focus on wild birds.
 
I think you may have things a little wrong Mudman, your Keeper pal is a little confused, all that shouting at you beaters to keep a straight line has made him forget.
Fox hunting became illegal a little while ago, all Hunts are working within the law and not hunting foxs
Regards
Ian
 
ive keepered all my working life , rearing large numbers of pheasant and partridge , grey partridge with bantams and a spell with on the north pennines with grouse and black game , ive always taken every oppertunity to kill a fox by any means possible , wire , terrier, lurcher , rifle , shotgun whatever , the onlt good fox is one you can stroke
 
I think you may have things a little wrong Mudman, your Keeper pal is a little confused, all that shouting at you beaters to keep a straight line has made him forget.
Fox hunting became illegal a little while ago, all Hunts are working within the law and not hunting foxs
Regards
Ian

Okay, perhaps not in the true sense of the word 'hunt', but in my area the local hunt still have regular meets on the shoot I look after and flush any foxes towards the standing guns, which is working within the law.

I find the theme contained within some of these posts quite sad. I cannot grasp why, as supposed conservationists and preaching about the ethics of deer management to those that don't understand or grasp why it is necessary, that some on here are happy to state that they would gladly see the last fox in this country dead.

I should state that I have been shooting since I was a young teenager and I am now 45. At no time though has my 'livelihood' depended on presenting birds. I have been responsible for killing hundreds of foxes (some for keepers) over years of lamping and took great pleasure from the 'sport' (at least that's how I saw it) this offered. I have also taken great pleasure from watching foxes albeit often before they were shot. They are an intelligent animal that deserves more respect than simply saying 'the only good one is a dead one'. I have no qualms about killing any animal if the circumstances are appropriate, that however does not include 'gladly' knowing that young cubs are left to starve to death at my hand.

In a previous post someone suggested that some deaths were better than others and a response stated 'dead is dead'. Well, I cannot find an argument that supports starving to death as an appropriate alternative to being shot and killed without any suffering.

For the record, I look after a small pheasant shoot as a way of repaying the landowner for the stalking I have on one of my area's of land. It's over about 1500acres. As they are keen hunt supporters I am asked to leave some of the foxes. I will shoot about 3 a year off the place and only when I happen across them when stalking. If they want to pay for pheasants and feed the local fox population that's their business. The ground marching with us is keepered on one side only. Do we see a lot of foxes? Hardly ever, nor do they run out of the woods when beating. We put down only 500 birds between two pens. Shoot 4 driven days and return on average 45%. I know they are there in places because I have smelt them and sometimes see their droppings.

This is not some invasive species to be eradicated. They were here long before someone decided to release thousands of pheasants to make a living out of it.

They need to be controlled and I will continue to do that on all the ground I shoot on but I would never want to be responsible for shooting them out of existence.

What a sad world if our kids grew up only being able to look at a picture of an animal instead of seeing them in the wild and their natural environment.

"The wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please... (except foxes it would appear...)
...we must account for it to those who come after."

King George VI
 
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Seem to remember mention of a very serious disease rife in the 50's, a great line of guns marching across the land shooting everything in sight,................. didn't shoot out anything much.
 
I think you may have things a little wrong Mudman, your Keeper pal is a little confused, all that shouting at you beaters to keep a straight line has made him forget.
Fox hunting became illegal a little while ago, all Hunts are working within the law and not hunting foxs
Regards
Ian

Yes, silly me, all of my post should have been in the past tense, for that was what used to happen pre ban.... Now the hunt chases an artificial trail and never ever causes Mr Fox any upsetment.
 
Okay, perhaps not in the true sense of the word 'hunt', but in my area the local hunt still have regular meets on the shoot I look after and flush any foxes towards the standing guns, which is working within the law.

I find the theme contained within some of these posts quite sad. I cannot grasp why, as supposed conservationists and preaching about the ethics of deer management to those that don't understand or grasp why it is necessary, that some on here are happy to state that they would gladly see the last fox in this country dead.

I should state that I have been shooting since I was a young teenager and I am now 45. At no time though has my 'livelihood' depended on presenting birds. I have been responsible for killing hundreds of foxes (some for keepers) over years of lamping and took great pleasure from the 'sport' (at least that's how I saw it) this offered. I have also taken great pleasure from watching foxes albeit often before they were shot. They are an intelligent animal that deserves more respect than simply saying 'the only good one is a dead one'. I have no qualms about killing any animal if the circumstances are appropriate, that however does not include 'gladly' knowing that young cubs are left to starve to death at my hand.

In a previous post someone suggested that some deaths were better than others and a response stated 'dead is dead'. Well, I cannot find an argument that supports starving to death as an appropriate alternative to being shot and killed without any suffering.

For the record, I look after a small pheasant shoot as a way of repaying the landowner for the stalking I have on one of my area's of land. It's over about 1500acres. As they are keen hunt supporters I am asked to leave some of the foxes. I will shoot about 3 a year off the place and only when I happen across them when stalking. If they want to pay for pheasants and feed the local fox population that's their business. The ground marching with us is keepered on one side only. Do we see a lot of foxes? Hardly ever, nor do they run out of the woods when beating. We put down only 500 birds between two pens. Shoot 4 driven days and return on average 45%. I know they are there in places because I have smelt them and sometimes see their droppings.

This is not some invasive species to be eradicated. They were here long before someone decided to release thousands of pheasants to make a living out of it.

They need to be controlled and I will continue to do that on all the ground I shoot on but I would never want to be responsible for shooting them out of existence.

What a sad world if our kids grew up only being able to look at a picture of an animal instead of seeing them in the wild and their natural environment.

"The wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please... (except foxes it would appear...)
...we must account for it to those who come after."

King George VI
What a truly well balanced reply from someone i respect even though never met.Its a fact that no-one will ever rid a locality of foxes even through a lifetime of trying .Causing suffering through trying shows a unbalanced side to a man id say .
 
any true countryman knows the damage a fox will do on a shoot , ive seen 300 poults killed in a mates release pen , and how about a litter living on the fells feeding on birds like black grouse , curlew , grey partridge , hen harriers and other ground nesters never mind lambs . Pre ban i would give orphaned cubs to hunt terrier men but not now . Oh yes and lests not forget a keepers house goes with the job
 
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