Has Boris shot himself in the foot.

[VSS]

may I apologise for the insult , I should know better but my frustration gets the better of me sometimes

Mine too.
Generally I'm pretty restrained, but occasionally can't help myself. Apologies.

 

[mchughcb]

The british

I keep answering this question but no one seems to listen

We are not a democracy we are a parlimentory democracy.

Parliament is supposed to be the common sense / professional buffer between an ignorant population gut over reaction, the loony fringe, manipulation for personal gain and implementation of any acts laws taxes etc

And thank god for that, because if it were not for this system, none of us would own any sort of firearm

Parliament are now trying to prevent a suicidal Brexit plan. That's their job. To act as the last line of defence between the lunatics, the mis guided and the miss informed, the power / money grabbers and the real power.

You seem very happy to accept this when it protects your right to hunt and own firearms, but not so much when it comes to Brexit???

Every one rants and raves when the justice system protects someone we all feel is guilty, but yet we wallow in the comfort that the justice system provides.

Same with Parliamentary Democracy


You want democracy? lets have a reforendum on firearms ownership, hunting, 4X4 ownership, salaries, tax levels, land ownership and right to roam, etc etc

Come on lets have some reel democracy and lets see how YOU like it

Well you might be in for another big shock when people have had enough of living like 1984 where the police and pollies set tge social and legal agenda.

I think it will be you who won't cope when people say enough government interference in our lives.

 

[dartmoordog]

Fisheries to me sums up the whole Brexit argument

Fact: our fisheries were doing in theory great in the EU with the big outfits running huge profits

Fact: our fisheries employ mainly cheep foreign labour from the EU (14,000 of them aparently)

Fact: we export most of our catch to the EU but do not import much at all from EU countries thus making it easy for the EU to impose tariffs on us post Brexit with little impact on themselves

Fact: The EU fishing fleet in UK waters takes mainly fish we do not use.

Fact: Contole of fising in UK waters is NOT going to change as we have signed the common fisheries policy and we not only would need to scrap the CFP but to also pull out of the Article 62 of the United nations Convention on the Law of the Sea?? If we were to pull out there would be an abolition of current Quotas and a move to "Zonal Attachment" to asses fish quotas. It is wildly accepted we wouldn't do well out of that.

Currnetly 77% of the UK fishing fleet account for only 3% of the UK fishing quota

As an example 94% of UK herring are caught by a Dutch outfit flying under a UK lag and the British government (NOT the EU) have allowed this to happen

It is expected than many small fleets and single UK operators will be wiped out post Brexit. Leaving the foreign but UK flag bearing super fleets to mop up that last 3%

The whole fisheries issue was misdirection and lies. Just like Brexit its self

Small fishing fleets have voted for their own demise. Something they now seem to be realising all be it a bit too late in the day

OK, further to this, I can now confirm that, due to contacts/friends, I am able to arrange it for you you come to Devon and visit one of the largest Beam Trawler fleets in the UK and stand on a fish box and deliver what you have posted above.

In addition, I will personally pay for your overnight stay where you will be able to freely mix and socialise with like minded “remainer” folk around the harbour at Brixham.

There is only one condition..........I watch!

 

[Apthorpe]

OK, further to this, I can now confirm that, due to contacts/friends, I am able to arrange it for you you come to Devon and visit one of the largest Beam Trawler fleets in the UK and stand on a fish box and deliver what you have posted above.

In addition, I will personally pay for your overnight stay where you will be able to freely mix and socialise with like minded “remainer” folk around the harbour at Brixham.

There is only one condition..........I watch!

Come on! Chasey's brave enough to keep posting his gibberish political opinions on here, he hardly deserves to be pelted with wet fish in public too!

 

[dartmoordog]

Come on! Chasey's brave enough to keep posting his gibberish political opinions on here, he hardly deserves to be pelted with wet fish in public too!

They intend freezing the fish first!

 

[dartmoordog]

Fisheries to me sums up the whole Brexit argument

Fact: our fisheries were doing in theory great in the EU with the big outfits running huge profits

Fact: our fisheries employ mainly cheep foreign labour from the EU (14,000 of them aparently)

Fact: we export most of our catch to the EU but do not import much at all from EU countries thus making it easy for the EU to impose tariffs on us post Brexit with little impact on themselves

Fact: The EU fishing fleet in UK waters takes mainly fish we do not use.

Fact: Contole of fising in UK waters is NOT going to change as we have signed the common fisheries policy and we not only would need to scrap the CFP but to also pull out of the Article 62 of the United nations Convention on the Law of the Sea?? If we were to pull out there would be an abolition of current Quotas and a move to "Zonal Attachment" to asses fish quotas. It is wildly accepted we wouldn't do well out of that.

Currnetly 77% of the UK fishing fleet account for only 3% of the UK fishing quota

As an example 94% of UK herring are caught by a Dutch outfit flying under a UK lag and the British government (NOT the EU) have allowed this to happen

It is expected than many small fleets and single UK operators will be wiped out post Brexit. Leaving the foreign but UK flag bearing super fleets to mop up that last 3%

The whole fisheries issue was misdirection and lies. Just like Brexit its self

Small fishing fleets have voted for their own demise. Something they now seem to be realising all be it a bit too late in the day

Right, this has really picked up momentum.

Our local news has just broadcast a piece about the fishing industry, and their thoughts on the EU, from St Ives. I am personally volunteering to organise a Devon and Cornwall tour for you to deliver your driv...thoughts on the fishing industry and the EU to our fishing ports down here.

Just one tip from me..........Just get a one way ticket for the Tamar Bridge, but if you do leave Cornwall, you will be flying the Cornish flag from a very strange flag pole/orrifice. You know what those Cornish boys are like!

 

[VSS]

These threads would be a lot more interesting, and possibly constructive, if, instead of constantly heckling the "other side" we could discuss those issues where we have a common concern, such as possible impacts of the political situation on rural land use and fieldsports.

 

[Hornet 6]

1. It is precisely because of the two wars and to make sure that doesn't happen anymore that the EU exists.

A statement like that could only come from a foreigner
If france and the rest of europe etc, is so good, go live there.


Neil.

 

[Pine Marten]

These threads would be a lot more interesting, and possibly constructive, if, instead of constantly heckling the "other side" we could discuss those issues where we have a common concern, such as possible impacts of the political situation on rural land use and fieldsports.

Well yesterday evening I reloaded some 7mm-08 FMJs for the first time in a year, and I now have a couple of centimeters of powder left in the bottom of the tub and nine bullets. That's not really a decent stockpile, and not one single item on the table or in the box was from the UK. So I think I had better do some shopping now, because I suspect that reloading components are going to be nowhere at all on the priority lists for clearing customs. And given that we're going to have to hunt for our food and stave off the hunger-crazed mobs...

 

[Hornet 6]

I am 100% confident not one single member on SD would "accept" a total ban on hunting or gun ownership as a result of a referendum held in the UK

Bollocks, first went the semi auto's, then pistols, thats two bans that everyone 'accepted'

Neil.

 

[caorach]

Prof. Anthony Coughlan's consideration of the Irish position is worth considering as he makes lots of useful points but, being focused on Ireland, they are somewhat abstracted from the precise details of what is taking place in the UK. This, perhaps, allows for a more detached consideration of the matters we are facing. It is also worth considering that this is 10 months old and at the minute even 10 minutes can see considerable changes so Mrs. May was still PM, for example, when this was made:

 

[Freeforester]

We shall see how 'United' the EU are once the new administration comes onstream, and when the Brits have stopped paying their subscription. I'm not so confident that the Germans wish to pick up the tab for the most part, let alone the Dutch and/or other net contributors, who are in the minority, and may not infact be so keen to subsidise the other countries with their begging bowls outstretched. Italy is hamstrung until it breaks free of the Euro currency, and they know it, but this too shall pass...

 

[dartmoordog]

These threads would be a lot more interesting, and possibly constructive, if, instead of constantly heckling the "other side" we could discuss those issues where we have a common concern, such as possible impacts of the political situation on rural land use and fieldsports.

I agree, but not this particular thread, Chasey’s post are more “entertainment” than interesting. OK, swap entertainment for hilarious!

 

[VSS]

I agree, but not this particular thread, Chasey’s post are more “entertainment” than interesting. OK, swap entertainment for hilarious!

I guess that opinion depends on which side of the fence you stand. I find his posts to be well-informed and interesting.

 

[User00025]

Oh well I give up, no more voting after this, nobody worth bothering with. I will now go and have a snooze in a high seat and meditate on this, before I slay some poor unsuspecting animal.

 

[dartmoordog]

I guess that opinion depends on which side of the fence you stand. I find his posts to be well-informed and interesting.

Well informed!..........Like his fishing post!

 

[Chasey]

Please would you let me know when you are going to stand on the fish Quay at Brixham, near where I now live, and where I lived for a decade, or the fish quays at Plymouth, Newlyn or St Ives and spout the same total drivel to them.........I hope you can swim!

I am sure it would be like standing in a mosque or catholic church and suggesting their god doesent actualy exist but sadly it doesn't change the fact that its true

Next time your down there ask them about the Dutch owned Cornelis Vrolijk which flys a UK flag and takes 25% of the UKs fishing quota

 

[Apthorpe]

Well yesterday evening I reloaded some 7mm-08 FMJs for the first time in a year, and I now have a couple of centimeters of powder left in the bottom of the tub and nine bullets. That's not really a decent stockpile, and not one single item on the table or in the box was from the UK. So I think I had better do some shopping now, because I suspect that reloading components are going to be nowhere at all on the priority lists for clearing customs. And given that we're going to have to hunt for our food and stave off the hunger-crazed mobs...

I thought it was only me who thought LibDem conferences were like a post-apocalyptic gathering of the undead.

 

[Apthorpe]

I am sure it would be like standing in a mosque or catholic church and suggesting their god doesent actualy exist but sadly it doesn't change the fact that its true

Well it's certainly true that their cod doesn't exist any more, courtesy of the CFP.
While I appreciate that the very large majority of your political views have no more grounding in hard reality than religious belief, to the rest of the world there is a difference between religious belief / superstition and the verifiable facts which you're so ardently in denial of.

 

[Tim.243]

I am sure it would be like standing in a mosque or catholic church and suggesting their god doesent actualy exist but sadly it doesn't change the fact that its true

My friend targets Sole sailing out from Canvey Island, he is catching top quality fish with out going in a Mosque....just the Thames......

Tim.243