reloader54
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you played the drug gang hoodie thug down,, while boosting the stalker up to be threatening which he isn't. I stalked and shot stuff for over 50 years, I don't ever recall being covered in blood.
Where is it not legal to carry a folding knife ?
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nun_hunter
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There is a difference but all police officers have discretion too, hence why two people getting stopped for the same "offence" can be treated differently. This is something we as society should be grateful for otherwise we would all get speeding fines every time we were stopped going any speed over the limit, people wouldn't be allowed to sort out a direct debit at the roadside to get their insurance back on their car rather than 6 points and a £300 fine and their car seized because their husband said he'd sort the insurance but forgot, you'd get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt rather than a friendly reminder etc. The law is the law but how it is enforced is on a sliding scale, something I am more than happy with.
Just note to remember
The “ black guy in a hoodie”
Could quite easily be a white guy or an Asian guy or an middle eastern guy or girl or f@&King whatever apparently these days
And your guy on his way home from an evening stalk could easily be just let’s say non white eh?
And a perfectly decent chap chapess or non binary frigging whatever !
Paul
The “ black guy in a hoodie”
Could quite easily be a white guy or an Asian guy or an middle eastern guy or girl or f@&King whatever apparently these days
And your guy on his way home from an evening stalk could easily be just let’s say non white eh?
And a perfectly decent chap chapess or non binary frigging whatever !
Paul
nun_hunter
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I did but you also played up the fact the thug was black and how he was acting and of course in that exact scenario the police can tell the difference but the issue comes where it isn't so obvious, such as the inner city beat cop who responds to a call of someone with a knife or gun in the countryside who has never came across a stalker before (or anyone who has a lawful reason to carry a gun or knife in public) and may not have even knew deer stalking was a thing.
As someone who often head shoots deer and does a suspended gralloch I have regularly ended up with blood on my boots, hands and legs, which probably says more about my technique than anything!
Heart shot roe in knee high grass in heart
Claret everywhere ! Dragged roe out to nester area to grslloch .... knees down absolutely blootered in blood ....
malxwall on here took the shot
.308 with 165 gamekings and a fist size hole ... never seen blood flow out like that before ...
And once skinned maybe 1” of bruising round hole that was it!
My point is just walking to the beast got you covered in it ...
It happens don’t need a bad technique to get blood
Paul
Claret everywhere ! Dragged roe out to nester area to grslloch .... knees down absolutely blootered in blood ....
malxwall on here took the shot
.308 with 165 gamekings and a fist size hole ... never seen blood flow out like that before ...
And once skinned maybe 1” of bruising round hole that was it!
My point is just walking to the beast got you covered in it ...
It happens don’t need a bad technique to get blood
Paul
Well
Well you mentioned pigs, and the UK recommendation is definitely 270 or above.270 you say??? well that's just your opinion. 5.56 worked just fine in Cambodia.
reloader54
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most of them are, Arrests
and why would an inner city cop respond to a call concerning a rural scenario?
I think this is becoming one of those pointless tit for tat type threads that descends into a lock down,
so I wish you happy stalking, try to avoid getting too bloody, and I'm out, [no literally I'm out with the rifle]
Ha! I remember Mouse and I stopping to buy some grub on the way home from stalking one time. I also got a bottle of beer to enjoy that evening. Mouse was reasonably clean, so I sent her through the checkout to pay, forgetting that they wouldn't serve her because of the beer. An amusing episode ensued, with me trying to pay without the lass on the till seeing my hands!
270 you say??? well that's just your opinion. 5.56 worked just fine in Cambodia.
Had a nice little 30cal yank carbine that worked well at close quarters.
I must admit to being covered in blood on many occasions, some of it my own. Didn't wear gloves then.
nun_hunter
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most of them are, Arrests
and why would an inner city cop respond to a call concerning a rural scenario?
I think this is becoming one of those pointless tit for tat type threads that descends into a lock down,
so I wish you happy stalking, try to avoid getting too bloody, and I'm out, [no literally I'm out with the rifle]
I don't want it to degenerate into tit for tat, I have just experienced that no matter what training and experiences you've had things come up that can still seem new and alien to you. Brighton cops will often respond to calls to the rural areas just outside the city now that its all about borderless policing, the same goes for those in Crawley. When I started my career I was used to dealing with heroin addicts and street drinkers and at this time I'd never owned my own firearm so had never met anyone who had a reason to be out with a firearm, fast forward to now and my view of city life vs country life is totally different so I can see both points of view.
Coterminous (kəʊˈtəːmɪnəs) but at a price that is a three-part (R.S.K.) Premium Hunter Certificate renewal fee?
Be careful what you wish for.
K
reloader54
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some would probably "welcome" that, and probably have a course too.
but for those who have a fac/sgc it should be adequate to cover the legitimate carry of a knife or knives without any need for any monetary increase. It's oft touted on here that we are among the most law abiding members of society because we choose not to jeopardise our tickets. if I can be trusted with a firearm I should be safe enough with a blade of any kind.
but once again I/we have to suffer because some dickhead thinks its fine to stab somebody for the most idiotic and pointless reasons. "innit blood"
society is f#cked, persecuting the law abiding isn't gonna mend it.
I've made those very points myself in the past and on mutiple occasions but with age and a certain weariness I've arrived at the conclusion that my youthful and poorly tutoured mind-set was in fact correct and one should therfore give not a f****** inch to the enemy!
K
The Police do not have discretion - they have, if necessary, to prove that they had just cause and good reason to depart from normal procedure - A policeman cant just stop and search anyone, they have to have some just cause and reason to explain their actions, if called upon to do so by a judge. It doesnt happen often which leads to the myth that they can do what their 'discretion' tells them - not true.
The police do not, cannot and should not, 'interpret' the law - that is how a police state develops and why Police are trained and have proper training manuals and courses which they can then ignore at their peril. A bit like Firearms law !!!!!
You assume far too much on behalf of the boys in blue - many are overgrown boy/girl scouts and I speak from experience.
For Christs sake they even argue with the fire service all the time over who should be in charge of incidents and where Bronze, Sliver and Gold commands should be.
nun_hunter
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You're partly right Kes, the police can't just go and stop and search anyone, in fact it's very hard to stop and search anyone these days! Once someone has been stopped and searched the police do have many legal ways of dealing with what is found, from arrest and charge down to words of advice, all of which are legal and fully lawful disposals and mostly are at the discretion of the police officer dealing( unless there are mitigating factors or circumstances beyond their control), it is this discretion I refer to. As I said before, if you take 100000 individuals you are going to get some idiots, some bullies, some bent ones but the vast majority are good and decent and most importantly are there to try and do the right thing.
Also the fraternal rivalry between police and fire has been going on years and always will, we take the **** out of them and they from us. I'd expect some of them to comment on here but they're probably already tucked up for the night sleeping off their dinner! (that was a joke before anyone gets too butt hurt about it)
Also the fraternal rivalry between police and fire has been going on years and always will, we take the **** out of them and they from us. I'd expect some of them to comment on here but they're probably already tucked up for the night sleeping off their dinner! (that was a joke before anyone gets too butt hurt about it)
Rusty Gate
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...defo give the Durex factory tour a swerve!
An acquaintance of mine is a carpet layer. He was stopped for speeding and police searched his car and found a carpet cutting knife (obviously as it was his work van) the Stanley type with the triangular wee blade. As they claimed he was not working (this was outside business hours), they claimed it was an offensive weapon.
He got a speeding penalty, and was charged with carrying an offensive weapon in public. Spent a week in jail. Lost his license in the process.
Whoever thinks the legal system is fair has got their marbles loose
8x57
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My initial response was to reply "rubbish, absolute and total rubbish" but I will simply say that you are very much mistaken on that one Kes.
The command and control parameters of who is in charge at various incidents are quite clearly legally defined and all officers will be well aware of them and of the responsibilities of each organisation.
All I can say is that it was not my experience, having been involved in numerous 'emergency planning' exercises and real emergencies, from the gales years ago to releases of phosgene gas, close to main routes. One can only speak from personal experience. If yours differs then well and good.
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