Greta Thumberg Schools UN on Extinction

[Chasey]

I have believed for some time now that Climate Change is inevitable and un stoppable

Thinking we could achieve much more than slowing it down by an earth equivalent nano second, is hubris. I always envisage King Canute sitting there ordering the tide not to come in.

One volcano erupting in Iceland screwed the last 20 years of emission cuts and The Chinese suddenly developing a liking of Beef and Dairy set us back another 20 years.

We simply cant go back to a world without shipping and aircraft

The government has been clever and quick to milk the green issue for every single tax doller it can starting with the fuel levy and now charging us to use motorways (as soon as the smart motorways come on line)

Whilst i think its all rubbish that we can stop he cumming events, I do fully support the raft of environmental changes which have improved our air quality, reduced single use plastics and forced the development of clean energy/.

Climate change is inevitable. Clean air and oceans free of plastic is a choice we can make

The government have always paid lip service to the issues without proper action. A few wind farms to shut us up and £3.00 tax on a gallon of fuel, congestion charging, emissions charging, parking taxation ALL whilst keeping public transport costs so incredably high, its still cheaper to use a car

I would insist on every single green tax pound being spent on green issues and subsidizing public alternatives.

Right now the govt just has to think of a way of taking climate change on to a tax, and we all just swallow it.

That should stop

 

[enfieldspares]

+1. More commonsense and pragmatism in the above than in a month of Greta Thumbeg Sunday preaching.

 

[Heym SR20]

Climate Change is a natural phenomenon decade, century and millenia long cycles. 10,000 years ago most of the UK was under ice and we were joined to Europe by a land bridge. Yet in Roman Times they were growing vines to produce wine in Scotland, and in the 1700's we had ice fairs on the River Thames. We are definately in a warming cycle at the moment. Whether or not this is being caused by man, or being accelerated by man is a moot point to some.

But regardless of whether or not you believe in climate change, clogging up our rivers, oceans and even tea mugs with plastic particles is not a good thing. And it doesn't take a genius to work out that if you stick your head by an exhaust pipe of a car its not good for you, and that if you stick thousands of car, buses and other vehicles in our streets all exhausting fumes that is again not good for the planet.

Much of it has come down to convenience, laziness and global marketing. We don't want to buy a whole chicken, instead we want it neatly portioned into little packets - and we will add some marinade as well and make it into a ready meal - this is all down to the power of marketing and product differentiation. We don't by a piece of salami or a ham, instead we buy it ready sliced in a plastic tray etc.

And we expect to be able to eat strawberries in February, rather than just in June and July.

Everybody has the power to stop buying crap wrapped in plastic. Yes there can be policy / government interventions. But we each can make our own little difference.

 

[Woodsmoke]

And when was the last time 500.000 people demonstrated in a Canadian city?

Wasn't it during the great maple syrup shortage of '87?

 

[Ade8mm]

It is worth noting scientist will attest we are in an interglacial period. Whilst I dont doubt that human activity has accelerated the current warm period we are currently in. The bigger picture is the world will get colder. I wonder what Thunderbird has to say about that. Warm is good. Things (food) grow when it is warm, and as humans continue to breed at a greater rate than is sustainable that must be seen as a good thing , yes so do bacteria and and viruses, however we can deal with them (bacteria) so long as we stop popping antibiotics willy-nilly. GM crops can help with the virus issue though of course the nay-sayers will tell that it is interfering with gods work and/or a Monsanto / new world order conspiracy. A cooling climate will present much greater challenges to human kind than warmth will. Meantime we are stuck with the emotive rhetoric which sells newspapers and facilitates greater tax take under some guise of stopping the inevitable and temporary warming of the planet. IMHumbleO

 

[Ade8mm]

It is worth noting scientist will attest we are in an interglacial period. Whilst I dont doubt that human activity has accelerated the current warm period we are currently in. The bigger picture is the world will get colder. I wonder what Thunderbird has to say about that. Warm is good. Things (food) grow when it is warm, and as humans continue to breed at a greater rate than is sustainable that must be seen as a good thing , yes so do bacteria and and viruses, however we can deal with them (bacteria) so long as we stop popping antibiotics willy-nilly. GM crops can help with the virus issue though of course the nay-sayers will tell that it is interfering with gods work and/or a Monsanto / new world order conspiracy. A cooling climate will present much greater challenges to human kind than warmth will. Meantime we are stuck with the emotive rhetoric which sells newspapers and facilitates greater tax take under some guise of stopping the inevitable and temporary warming of the planet. IMHumbleO

 

[Ade8mm]

Apologies for the double post. Am on (not so) smart phone and wanted to correct spellers. No internet for mac where I am at the moment ( somewhere in the tropic of Cancer west of the Indian Ocean and surrounded by sand)

 

[bluesako]

wow what a man brilliant

 

[potshotpat]

Apologies for the double post. Am on (not so) smart phone and wanted to correct spellers. No internet for mac where I am at the moment ( somewhere in the tropic of Cancer west of the Indian Ocean and surrounded by sand)

Say again.

 

[mchughcb]

I have believed for some time now that Climate Change is inevitable and un stoppable

Thinking we could achieve much more than slowing it down by an earth equivalent nano second, is hubris. I always envisage King Canute sitting there ordering the tide not to come in.

One volcano erupting in Iceland screwed the last 20 years of emission cuts and The Chinese suddenly developing a liking of Beef and Dairy set us back another 20 years.

We simply cant go back to a world without shipping and aircraft

The government has been clever and quick to milk the green issue for every single tax doller it can starting with the fuel levy and now charging us to use motorways (as soon as the smart motorways come on line)

Whilst i think its all rubbish that we can stop he cumming events, I do fully support the raft of environmental changes which have improved our air quality, reduced single use plastics and forced the development of clean energy/.

Climate change is inevitable. Clean air and oceans free of plastic is a choice we can make

The government have always paid lip service to the issues without proper action. A few wind farms to shut us up and £3.00 tax on a gallon of fuel, congestion charging, emissions charging, parking taxation ALL whilst keeping public transport costs so incredably high, its still cheaper to use a car

I would insist on every single green tax pound being spent on green issues and subsidizing public alternatives.

Right now the govt just has to think of a way of taking climate change on to a tax, and we all just swallow it.

That should stop

Trump said at the UN. Clean air and clean water. Not climate change.

If we stop using coal and burn trees can we call that renewable?

 

[Apthorpe]

Trump said at the UN. Clean air and clean water. Not climate change.

If we stop using coal and burn trees can we call that renewable?

Burning biomass is one of the worst environmental abominations visited on us by the green lobby. You couldn't make this schit up if you tried.

Here in the UK we have an enormous biomass power station capable of producing about 5% of the country's power. This has cost a fortune, partly funded in subsidies and underwritten by the Government, and needs about 7 million tons of wood per year. This needs an area of forest of 12,000km2 to sustain. The biomass comes largely from the US, where it is harvested in a not entirely environmentally sensitive manner, trucked hundreds of miles to the coast, and shipped thousands of miles. It's absolute madness!

We can extrapolate from this that to power a moderately efficient country like the UK on biomass would require about 150 million tons of wood per year, or an area of forest almost exactly equivalent to the entire area of the United Kingdom to sustain.

This is apparently a good thing for the environment. Bat**** crazy!

 

[Feugh]

Whilst i think its all rubbish that we can stop the cumming events, I do fully support the raft of environmental changes......

The cumming events are a large part of the reason for the current issues.

 

[mchughcb]

Burning biomass is one of the worst environmental abominations visited on us by the green lobby. You couldn't make this schit up if you tried.

Here in the UK we have an enormous biomass power station capable of producing about 5% of the country's power. This has cost a fortune, partly funded in subsidies and underwritten by the Government, and needs about 7 million tons of wood per year. This needs an area of forest of 12,000km2 to sustain. The biomass comes largely from the US, where it is harvested in a not entirely environmentally sensitive manner, trucked hundreds of miles to the coast, and shipped thousands of miles. It's absolute madness!

We can extrapolate from this that to power a moderately efficient country like the UK on biomass would require about 150 million tons of wood per year, or an area of forest almost exactly equivalent to the entire area of the United Kingdom to sustain.

This is apparently a good thing for the environment. Bat**** crazy!

I was taking the ****. Thats why the development of coal pits powered the industrial revolution without laying the countryside to waste.

However the stupid green renewable arguement can be made.

 

[Chasey]

The problem for the USA is its based the Dollar on oil. In 1971 it took the Dollar off the gold standard and it collapsed making it fall from grace as the worlds go to currency

In 1973 the great and the powerful Bilderberg Group met in Salbjobaden to decide how to make the USA Dollar great again. Attendies were people like Rockafella (Who owned the Chase Manhatton Bank) Rothschild, all the big oil producers including Denis Greenhill of BP the Lyman Brothers representative George Bull etc and most importantly of all, Henry Kissinger

The solution was simple. Increase oil prices by 400% Oil was bought and sold in Dollas so the demand for the oil dolla would increase 400%

In order to pull this off they had to create an oil shortage & get cooperation from Shah of Iran and Opec.

So they did a deal with them to supply unlimited arms to the Opec countries in return the Saha of Iran would bank all its oil revenue money with Chase Manhattan bank. Approximately 14 billion pounds a year. The Saudi's were told to invest their billions in US treasury bonds. In return they would get all the weapons they wanted except necula.

The problem was the oil embargo would effect Europe. But that didn't bother the Bilderberg Group and a deal was struck with the UK to give them neutrality in the embargo and in return the 400% increase in oil cost would make the massively expensive North Sea Oil actually profitable for once.

In order to kick things off USA needed to start a war

SO Kissinger managed to enhance Nixons problems with Watergate and get him self in the unprecedented position of national Security Adviser AND Security of state. Thus giving him the power he required to sideline the president and push forward the Bilderberg Plan

Through his position as NSA he managed to feed false information to the Arabs and Israeli's and kick of the Yom Kipor War.

Shortly after the Oil embargo started and the cost of oil went up 400% as predicted.

Dollars became in demand, treasury bonds went through the roof, arms sales hit record highs and the US Dolla was saved

From that day forth the Dollar has been the oil currency of the world

Since the sucess of the Dolla / USA is now intrinsically linked with oil production then and to this day, the USA can not afford to have any significant reduction in Oil consumption.

 

[Apthorpe]

The problem for the USA is its based the Dollar on oil. In 1971 it took the Dollar off the gold standard and it collapsed making it fall from grace as the worlds go to currency

In 1973 the great and the powerful Bilderberg Group met in Salbjobaden to decide how to make the USA Dollar great again. Attendies were people like Rockafella (Who owned the Chase Manhatton Bank) Rothschild, all the big oil producers including Denis Greenhill of BP the Lyman Brothers representative George Bull etc and most importantly of all, Henry Kissinger

The solution was simple. Increase oil prices by 400% Oil was bought and sold in Dollas so the demand for the oil dolla would increase 400%

In order to pull this off they had to create an oil shortage & get cooperation from Shah of Iran and Opec.

So they did a deal with them to supply unlimited arms to the Opec countries in return the Saha of Iran would bank all its oil revenue money with Chase Manhattan bank. Approximately 14 billion pounds a year. The Saudi's were told to invest their billions in US treasury bonds. In return they would get all the weapons they wanted except necula.

The problem was the oil embargo would effect Europe. But that didn't bother the Bilderberg Group and a deal was struck with the UK to give them neutrality in the embargo and in return the 400% increase in oil cost would make the massively expensive North Sea Oil actually profitable for once.

In order to kick things off USA needed to start a war

SO Kissinger managed to enhance Nixons problems with Watergate and get him self in the unprecedented position of national Security Adviser AND Security of state. Thus giving him the power he required to sideline the president and push forward the Bilderberg Plan

Through his position as NSA he managed to feed false information to the Arabs and Israeli's and kick of the Yom Kipor War.

Shortly after the Oil embargo started and the cost of oil went up 400% as predicted.

Dollars became in demand, treasury bonds went through the roof, arms sales hit record highs and the US Dolla was saved

From that day forth the Dollar has been the oil currency of the world

Since the sucess of the Dolla / USA is now intrinsically linked with oil production then and to this day, the USA can not afford to have any significant reduction in Oil consumption.

Chasey,
Even by your standards, this is a remarkable departure from reason and lurch into delusional anti-Semitic and Bilderberg conspiracy theories.
Usually you do at least have the virtue of making up your own nonsense, and it seldom contains unpleasant racist overtones. Are you sure you really believe the nonsense above?

Among the other conspiracy theories surrounding the Bilderberg group is that the EU is one of its conspiracies to create a supranational order. Do you believe that one too?

 

[Chasey]

Chasey,
Even by your standards, this is a remarkable departure from reason and lurch into delusional anti-Semitic and Bilderberg conspiracy theories.
Usually you do at least have the virtue of making up your own nonsense, and it seldom contains unpleasant racist overtones. Are you sure you really believe the nonsense above?

Among the other conspiracy theories surrounding the Bilderberg group is that the EU is one of its conspiracies to create a supranational order. Do you believe that one too?

As i am of jewish decent (Father Jewish by birth grandmother escaped Nazi germany, most of my ancestors didnt) I think people would realy struggle to lable me as antisimtic

All sorts of conspiracy theories surround the Bilderberg Group with very good reasion. I have often thaught they themselves make some of them up so as to make the real issues seem redicilious.

One thing is for sure, the great and powerful who meet in secret with the Bilderberg group are not there for the food and pleasant conversation.

Theres a massive amount of supporting evidence for the above

Oil was selling at $12 a barrel but only costing $1 to produce.

James Atkins the US Saudi ambassador was the first to stick his head above the parapet and ask why this was the case? Kissinger sacked him

In an interview King Fisal was asked about it and he said he himself asked the Shar of Iran why the oil embargo and hyper inflation? The Shar replied, Ask Kissinger

Nixon himself tried to deal with Opec to cut the cost of oil in 2004 but was cut short by the US banks????

The whole Bloomberg sponsered Oil is running out farse headed up by some incompitent scientist who sugested oil came from rotting dinasors and was a scares camodity that would run out in 2007. Even i remember those headlines

There is absolutely no disputing the fact that a 400% increase in oil was created on a pack of lies. US oil reserves were held back on trumped up claims of "running out" when they knew damned well they had new fields on tap in Alaska Prudhoe site which would produce 25billion barrels a year. Thers also no desputing the rescue of the dollar, the sales of tresury bonds and the investment in arms and monies transferd to Chase Manhattan bank following the price hike.

On his retirement from office Kissinger was made an adviser to Chase Manhatton bank

Documented gifts from the Shah of iran to US officials included, $1,000,000 to the former CIA cheif Allen Dulles $2,000,00 to David Rockafella, Loy henderson US ambasidor to Iran got another $2,000,000 and Time Life magazeen publisher who was an ardent supporter through its various media outlets got $500,000

The Shah of Iran fell out of favor with his people and was eventually evacuated to the USA on the pretext of needing cancer treatment. This move was the work of Rockafella and Kissinger who managed to convince a very reluctent Jimmy Carter to go through with it.

It resulted in the longest ever hostage seage at the US embassy in Iran as the people tried to bring him back to stand trial.

Chase Manhattan Bank froze the Shah's billions so the government of Iran couldn't get them back

It does kind of beg the question as to why we would support the Shah seeing as he caused us so much pain with the oil crisis?

 

[mchughcb]

What was the solution for windfarm waste?

You got it. More landfill.

Wind turbine blades being disposed of in Casper landfill

The Casper landfill will soon be the home of more than 1,000 decommissioned wind turbine blades and motor housing units.

cowboystatedaily.com

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Oh, gawd. She watched a film about plastic in ocean and polar bear starving. I'm a little bit slow here but is plastic in ocean linked to CO2 levels pre industrialisation and what did the polar bear say?

Manipulative jerk.

 

[enfieldspares]

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Burning biomass is one of the worst environmental abominations visited on us by the green lobby. You couldn't make this schit up if you tried.

Here in the UK we have an enormous biomass power station capable of producing about 5% of the country's power. This has cost a fortune, partly funded in subsidies and underwritten by the Government, and needs about 7 million tons of wood per year. This needs an area of forest of 12,000km2 to sustain. The biomass comes largely from the US, where it is harvested in a not entirely environmentally sensitive manner, trucked hundreds of miles to the coast, and shipped thousands of miles. It's absolute madness!

We can extrapolate from this that to power a moderately efficient country like the UK on biomass would require about 150 million tons of wood per year, or an area of forest almost exactly equivalent to the entire area of the United Kingdom to sustain.

This is apparently a good thing for the environment. Bat**** crazy!

I have just returned yesterday from a fact finding trip = a holiday, touring India and saw first hand the out of control mad rush to go to 4 wheeled transport, now very few bicycle users were seen, loads of heavily polluting scooters/125cc bikes without any emission controls and a consumer rush to get onto the western bandwagon that we are going away from.
Why do we build none or too few local biogas (anaerobic digestion) plants using locally produced biodegradable organic material like maize/china grass (fast growing). I worked at Jenbacher generator engines in Austria and saw the usage potential back in 2012.
See below this clarification.

Gas from the Past: Biogas 101

Most people who follow renewable energy have heard of biogas by now, yet the origins and uses of biogas remain mysterious to many. Biogas is unusual in that its use predates the use of fossil fuels. In fact, it is older than fossil fuels completely. The microorganisms that create biogas are...

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Most people who follow renewable energy have heard of biogas by now, yet the origins and uses of biogas remain mysterious to many. Biogas is unusual in that its use predates the use of fossil fuels. In fact, it is older than fossil fuels completely. The microorganisms that create biogas are among the oldest life forms on earth, over three billion years older than the plants and animals that became today’s fossil fuels. Biogas not only provides excellent, clean-burning energy that can replace fossil fuels in the future, but in many places it already is.

Often confused with liquid biofuels, biogas has also been called swamp gas or sewer gas. It is a mixture of gases composed largely of methane (CH4) produced during the natural decomposition of organic material in an airtight environment. This methane is the same flammable component found in natural gas derived from fossils, only instead of taking 65 million years to make, biogas can be generated in 48 to 72 hours.

The ancient Assyrians used biogas to heat their baths in 3,000 BC, and considering it is easier to make a fire with biogas than it is with wood, human use of biogas may extend into the Neolithic Age. The famous gas lamps of Victorian England were fueled with biogas from city sewers.

Hydrogen may look simpler on the Period Table, however, it is nowhere near as simple to manufacture. Biogas can be generated in your own back yard using ordinary household waste with no special equipment or chemicals whatsoever. It can be — and is — generated in an ordinary kitchen trash bag with table scraps in it.

One popular misconception is that biogas can only be made from cattle manure, in reality all organic matter can be used as a feedstock to make biogas. Ordinary lawn clippings yield one of the highest volumes of biogas per ton. So, yes, one could very easily run a lawn mower with the grass clippings from the previous mowing.

Unlike liquid biofuels, biogas does not compete with food, as it does not require dedicated crops and can use non-edible parts of plants. Biogas yields 2-5 times more fuel per acre than any liquid biofuels and runs cooler, quieter and cleaner in machines.

Today China leads the world in the number of biogas plants with an estimated 50 million households using biogas. These are mostly small, home and village-scale plants. The torch at the 2008 Beijing Olympics was fueled with biogas. India is estimated to have over four million biogas plants. Many European cities, especially in Sweden, use biogas as vehicle fuel and feed it into natural gas pipelines.

The biogas process, called anaerobic digestion, is particularly aggressive against pathogens and parasites and has historically been used in wastewater treatment as an inexpensive, natural alternative to chemical treatment. The World Health Organization estimates there to be 80 million cases of dysentery (Shigella flexneri) each year, of which 700,000 cases will be fatal. A simple, low or no-cost anaerobic digester will kill dysentery bacteria in 30 hours.

The liquid byproduct that results from the anaerobic digestion process is a high-quality, nitrogen-rich fertilizer and soil amendment for urban farming or local agriculture. Where the nitrogen in ordinary compost is largely volatilized into the atmosphere, anaerobic digestion not only traps and retains that nitrogen, but also converts it to ammonia, which is more readily absorbed by plants.

Biogas slurry is a liquid and can be applied on a commercial scale with existing farm equipment, which is impractical with compost. The biogas process also takes less time, normally 10-20 days to decompose organic matter, allowing much higher volumes of waste to be processed compared to compost piles.

When people learn 30-50% of biogas is carbon dioxide (CO2) and see the “C” in CH4, they often think that biogas contributes to global warming. This is not the case. The carbon in biogas is called biogenic carbon. Unlike fossil fuels, which release carbon from a long past geological era into the present atmosphere, biogenic carbon is part of the natural biosphere. The same amount of carbon would be released if the organic matter were left to decompose naturally in the environment. We exhale biogenic carbon every few seconds.

With the many advantages of biogas, one might ask why biogas remains largely underutilized in the West. It could be said biogas has too many advantages for its own good. The energy, waste management, pathogen elimination and agricultural aspects of an effective biogas program are inseparably interrelated and modern Westerners are not used to thinking so systemically. Effective biogas programs, like those in Sweden and China, require a level of interagency cooperation between utilities, municipalities and local agriculture that does not exist in the United States and other developed countries with large fossil fuel reserves and no incentive for different organizations to cooperate with each other to achieve a more efficient result.

The barriers to biogas use are not physical; they are man-made. A well-planned biogas program is possible at any latitude in any habitable environment in any cost range, using 100% natural, annually renewable organic waste. The process is self-regulating by the seasonal availability of locally-available wet waste. Because wet waste is too heavy and expensive to transport great distances distributed plants are more efficient.

As biogas is a flammable gas, it can be used to fuel engines and boilers and the waste heat from these machines can provide heating and hot water, a system that the German agricultural village of Jühnde began implementing in 2009. The odor control and clean-burning properties of the biogas process allow it to be used in the densest urban environments, meaning the largest cities could be broken down into smaller bio-villages.

Biogas democratizes energy with its low cost and simplicity by making it available to everyone, regardless of economic status. Where modern renewable energies tend to focus on electricity or vehicle fuel, biogas also provides clean-burning heating and cooking energy as well as irreplaceable benefits to human health and agriculture. This ancient renewable energy is indeed a modern marvel.