How many have left BASC?

[scrumbag]

To be fair to BASC, they do fight for sports. Anyone watch the Parliamentary sessions with the BASC guys (Harriman and Graficius)? I did. No one else was up there. Not from CA, SACS, NRA. Nada. And they don't have anyone who could do it. Think we couldn't of lost more than just MARS rifles as shooters? There were MPs pushing for us to lose semi-auto .22lrs!

BASC, not perfect - sure. Room for improvement - Yes. Anyone close to BASCs capabilities: NOPE

Scrummy

 

[oowee]

I can understand people finding fault with any of the organisations for one reason or another but some one has to stand up for the sport we love. If you are not happy with what you can buy then make sure you get out there and do what you can to fight for our cause.
BASC are not perfect but do a far better job than I could.

PS even better if they used the big chunk of cash they are sitting on to reduce fees or put a legal challenge into fight our cause at every occasion.

 

[reloader54]

To be fair to BASC, they do fight for sports. Anyone watch the Parliamentary sessions with the BASC guys (Harriman and Graficius)? I did. No one else was up there. Not from CA, SACS, NRA. Nada. And they don't have anyone who could do it. Think we couldn't of lost more than just MARS rifles as shooters? There were MPs pushing for us to lose semi-auto .22lrs!

BASC, not perfect - sure. Room for improvement - Yes. Anyone close to BASCs capabilities: NOPE

Scrummy

well the labour party are pretty close.
but not quite as welcoming.

 

[Wills]

I see there are comments about perks and jolly's.

Has anyone actually got any evidence of this..

There was also comments about employee issues. Maybe you are not aware of the complexities of employment law. Get it right and it will cost you, get it wrong and it will cost you more.

 

[Wills]

It may appear to some that I am defending BASC. Im not, but it is important to separate rumour from fact.
In the same token, I'm not going to write them a management or "turnaround" plan..unless of course they pay.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

It may appear to some that I am defending BASC. Im not, but it is important to separate rumour from fact.
In the same token, I'm not going to write them a management or "turnaround" plan..unless of course they pay.

Sounds like you require a trade membership for covert advertising..

 

[Miki]

It may appear to some that I am defending BASC. Im not, but it is important to separate rumour from fact.
In the same token, I'm not going to write them a management or "turnaround" plan..unless of course they pay.

But they are being paid, by their members, however it could be (like SACS) that their members (or the majority thereof) agree with GP involvement and are happy to pay a fee and don't want their association to spend their money on a court case ???

 

[Hornet 6]

That's right cheaper desiel, 20% of new motors and free entry to game fairs plus subsidised stalking.
All of the above they've been slated for anyway. They really can't win with some
Aye nothing positive for members I can see.

Cheaper diesel, if your local garage is wanting to play.
20% off a new vehicle is great if you have the other 80%, no use at all if you don't.

So to me, and so-so many others their so called deals are worth nothing.
I have not once seen them actually save us from anything the government wants to do to us.

Neil.

 

[JabaliHunter]

I don't want lots of local events or member services.

I want a thoroughly professional and effective group of political lobbyists and want them at Westminster, Cardiff, Holyrood and Stormont, not rural North Wales.

I want a proactive communications team bombarding local and national media with fact-based reaction to every anti-shooting letter or comment. If there's nothing to react to, then I want pro-active opinion pieces and targeted fact-based advertising in national media, targeted at the non-shooting public, not just in Shooting Times.

 

[Pedro]

I don't want lots of local events or member services.

I want a thoroughly professional and effective group of political lobbyists and want them at Westminster, Cardiff, Holyrood and Stormont, not rural North Wales.

I want a proactive communications team bombarding local and national media with fact-based reaction to every anti-shooting letter or comment. If there's nothing to react to, then I want pro-active opinion pieces and targeted fact-based advertising in national media, targeted at the non-shooting public, not just in Shooting Times.

Crikey. Sign me up to that! Lobby, lobby, lobby! Get someone on the telly every time there's a shooting sport related item. Complain every time that antis (of whatever shade) are given the airwaves without reply, or a shooting rep is cut short. Send BASC (or other organisation's employees) on courses to learn about communication and the press. Release good shooting stories to the press and complain if they are ignored. Complain about organisations that are biased against shooters and deny them their lawful rights (Liverpool City Council, The Welsh Assembly for two).

In the 1960's and 70's, drunk driving was prevalent. Everyone saw it as just the done thing, wending their wobbly Cortina home from the pub. If you actually got caught it wasn't seen as a crime and you were jolly unlucky, there was no stigma. A story to tell the next time you got a skin full and only the inconvenience of not driving for a while. A long campaign followed over a couple of decades that seemed interminable, but gradually bore fruit. Public opinion was changed. Drunk driving is now seen as anti-social, the dangers are recognised, the penalties are more severe and people simply don't do it now (for the most part). That's the sort of mentality we need. Dogged determination and hard work by those that take our membership money over a sustained period. Then, maybe eventually it will be possible for BASC to hand out car stickers that people can actually put in their cars without the fear that their windows will be smashed.

 

[Johno2486]

Left BASC years ago, been with SACS ever since and never yet paid any fee for GP involvement etc.

Also now have 2000+ acres of perms split over 3 farms never had any insurance issues with SACS.

 

[starr shot]

Still with them but considering changing. But as shooters etc we need to ask how have they become the voice of shooting when they seem so ineffective.

 

[jimbo1984]

Still with them but considering changing. But as shooters etc we need to ask how have they become the voice of shooting when they seem so ineffective.

Because people stick with them no matter how poorly they perform .

 

[starr shot]

Because people stick with them no matter how poorly they perform .

Exactly but surely they are only self appointed and have no real authority.So it’s up to us to vote with our feet or every time there is a petition to vote on vote to what suits us.Let the government of the day realise that BASC isn’t our voice.

 

[jimbo1984]

Exactly but surely they are only self appointed and have no real authority.So it’s up to us to vote with our feet or every time there is a petition to vote on vote to what suits us.Let the government of the day realise that BASC isn’t our voice.

Exactly , voting with your feet is the only thing that basc will notice

 

[finnbear270]

Still with them but considering changing. But as shooters etc we need to ask how have they become the voice of shooting when they seem so ineffective.

A self awarded title in my view.

 

[kes]

I see there are comments about perks and jolly's.

Has anyone actually got any evidence of this..

There was also comments about employee issues. Maybe you are not aware of the complexities of employment law. Get it right and it will cost you, get it wrong and it will cost you more.

I have some evidence - hence my developing concern over the years. If I was ever given ANYTHING, whilst in employment, I was required (reasonably) to give it the employer, since any gift, inducement or reward would be seen as just that by the people who paid my wages and besides, I regarded it as not the done thing.
No perks, no bias, explicit or implicit, if you wanted something you paid the going rate for it and the money went to good causes.

Shooting people have told me these things (evidence) but as with all these things, it could be dismissed as heresay. (not heresy)

 

[Tim.243]

Sounds like you require a trade membership for covert advertising..

I thought the link worked well...HJ

Tim.243

 

[countrryboy]

Jabali and Pedro are spot on above, and I don't think it's asking a lot for basc to be doing that.

Wot I really can't understand is just why basc are failing so miserably, they are absolutely rank rotten and have been that way for last 5+ years.
They have the money, offices, media centre etc.
Surely some bosses come on here or speak to folk while out shooting.

I just cannot figure it out, do the employees not realise how people feel??? Which did seem to be the case with some of the posts by David and Conor, they almost seem surprised by the ill feeling. Where the hell have they been?

Or does the committee not tell the basc employees to do there jobs right how jabali described earlier??
If so the committee and so members are at fault and mibbee we have the org we deserve for our apathy??
But something is very very wrong at marford ( but I have to admit the Scottish office are really pretty good)


No matter how much many off u hate basc, the 1st time there is a tragedy they ( press, TV news teams and politicians) they will run to basics door wanting a statement.
Do u really want that to be underfunded??

Obviously I'm still a basc member as I do still think it can be fixable from within.
But more so as they're really is NO alternatives out there.


Really wot vaible alternatives are there out there??

CA, I'd say fairly good, handled LAG very well and done well since, but non existent in scotland and also the whole hunting thing is hard to get past ( and I'm not even anti hunting)
No idea wot sort of staff levels they have for lobbying or giving expert statements.

NGO again well worth ur money, done brilliant with the buzzard licencing but have never carried it on. Bit off a false victory really as not opened the door to any licences being granted. Which it proved it should happen when evidence allows.

North of border u have
SGA, again well worth ur money and punch well above their size/wieght but like the others hampered by size, don't think have any FT employees other than office staff.
Might keep costs down but not great if a news crew wants a comment, are they really going to wait till someone has finished feeding his pheasants??

Sacs, makes great comments, noise on his website but it's still just a bloke running it from his mammy's spare bed room.
I've never seen them mentioned or quoted anywhere, us that really wot u want fighting the might of r spb or wj??
A few times I've thought about joining but just couldnt, u need ur org to have a voice outside his own house.

For me basc is the only really vaible org.
And lets face it if u designed how u wanted ur ' super org' set up it would probably be along the lines of basc, members voted on a committee etc, no other org has that. Just ashame something is failing miserably.

Also probably never been a time when reasoned factual based lobbying has been LESS important to making decisions.
Which is so wrong on many many levels and a very dangerous precedent, esp for folk like us doing minority sports/lifestyles.
Now it seems internet click bait, false truths, damn lies and spin are more important than facts, which is very very scary.

Sorry for long rant but bloody p@&&ing down again outside!!

 

[countrryboy]

Ps
I really don't have a problem with staff on 'jollies' infact I'm glad they are as that tends to be where important folk ( politicians, big business, civil service etc) are also, I'd be more worried if they weren't there hob nobbing.
I do think it seems strange to normal working class bllokes

I think most orgs when they get to a certain size will have staff problems just the way it is, think some of the other charities are having similar problems.
Even thou all paying top money for staff

I thought they made a mistake hiring a non shooter as boss but mibbee he was best man for job according to his CV, althou it certainly never worked out that way.
But hindsights a good thing