277 Sig Fury - 80 000psi composite rifle cartridge

BRACES of Bristol - Sauer 100 XTA Stainless Package
Composite cartridges tried in the 80 ‘s by US defence research company (general dynamics I think)

It failed, I think they were using ceramics to replace the brass case design - though this may be an altogether different design concept
 
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Almost certain to be super-short, ie 2.26" COAL so that it'll cycle through existing weapons platforms based around the 5.56 / 223 Rem design. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Historically, high-intensity super-performance and radical technology cartridge designs have rarely succeeded especially in terms of military adoption. Understandably, military authorities tend towards extreme conservatism as radical new ideas have a nasty habit of failing when you most need them - in combat when support and logistics services are also overstretched.
 
wow, i bet the tacticool,s will be selling there 6.5 creedmoor,s now, and buying the latest gucci flavour of the month, what a ugly looking rifle. bs
 
bluesako said:
what a ugly looking rifle. bs
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Isn't it just!! Moreover, it claims to be a do anything model covering sporting and competition use. Design compromises rarely work out or sell well (with the apparent exception of so-called 'crossover' urban SUV passenger vehicles). Ghastly name too.

I hope I'm wrong as new firearms and approaches are welcome, but I don't see this very late offering in the 'BlacktiKool' rifle market being a success. Still for Americans who don't need FACs and can buy and sell bolt-action rifles freely. it might make a good investment in 277 Fury chambering as today's new rifle lemons are often tomorrow's cult collectors items and the rarer / more unusual the chambering the better. If you were American and had had a good crystal ball, the 350 Rem Magnum calibre Remington 660 'Mohawk' carbine in a laminated stock was a great investment buy back in the 1980s, as were even the more common Remington 600/660s, real little ugly ducklings!
 
Re my earlier post, advice from elsewhere says it's a 7.62/308 length cartridge - is in fact a 270-308 wildcat with the enhanced case-head strength to run super pressures. So, it's chances of acceptance are even less except as a limited purchase / volume special forces number. I'd rate its chances as around zero.
 
Laurie said:
Isn't it just!! Moreover, it claims to be a do anything model covering sporting and competition use. Design compromises rarely work out or sell well (with the apparent exception of so-called 'crossover' urban SUV passenger vehicles). Ghastly name too.

I hope I'm wrong as new firearms and approaches are welcome, but I don't see this very late offering in the 'BlacktiKool' rifle market being a success. Still for Americans who don't need FACs and can buy and sell bolt-action rifles freely. it might make a good investment in 277 Fury chambering as today's new rifle lemons are often tomorrow's cult collectors items and the rarer / more unusual the chambering the better. If you were American and had had a good crystal ball, the 350 Rem Magnum calibre Remington 660 'Mohawk' carbine in a laminated stock was a great investment buy back in the 1980s, as were even the more common Remington 600/660s, real little ugly ducklings!
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I just bought a 600 in 350 RM for my brother , I can attest to the fact that they're expensive and are still hideous .

AB
 
I seem to remember this case design from a long time ago . The steel cartridge head and brass body , not the case dimensions . I think they were called Everlast or something like that . They were pricey and never really got anywhere . Looks like someone is reinventing the wheel .

AB
 
alberta boy said:
I just bought a 600 in 350 RM for my brother , I can attest to the fact that they're expensive and are still hideous .

AB
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The 'still hideous' bit made me giggle out loud! I never saw one in the metal, but remember reading a magazine review of a 600 and thinking: 'What an ugly rifle!' I doubt if there are many in the UK and maybe not a single 350 Rem Mag example.

I never understood what Remington thought it was doing putting its new 6.5 and 350 magnums only into these short-barrel light rifles. The 6.5 was surely meant to be a long-range open country deer and antelope number and putting it into a woods rifle made no sense. Also the 2.800 COAL meant it was in practice limited to 120gn bullets as heavier ones had to be seated too deep. I've read many times that the 350 version is a great close-cover / large animal cartridge and understand it saw use in custom rifles long after Remington dropped the 600s. However putting it into the little 600/660s with their carbine length barrels must see some pretty serious recoil, blast and flash! Is your brother going to shoot his new 600 or keep it safe as a collectors' piece?
 
Laurie said:
The 'still hideous' bit made me giggle out loud! I never saw one in the metal, but remember reading a magazine review of a 600 and thinking: 'What an ugly rifle!' I doubt if there are many in the UK and maybe not a single 350 Rem Mag example.

I never understood what Remington thought it was doing putting its new 6.5 and 350 magnums only into these short-barrel light rifles. The 6.5 was surely meant to be a long-range open country deer and antelope number and putting it into a woods rifle made no sense. Also the 2.800 COAL meant it was in practice limited to 120gn bullets as heavier ones had to be seated too deep. I've read many times that the 350 version is a great close-cover / large animal cartridge and understand it saw use in custom rifles long after Remington dropped the 600s. However putting it into the little 600/660s with their carbine length barrels must see some pretty serious recoil, blast and flash! Is your brother going to shoot his new 600 or keep it safe as a collectors' piece?
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The 600's in 350RM are a bit of a nuclear facial . If you think about it , they were really the first " Guide Guns " . I've owned a 600 , 660 , and technically still own a 700 in 350RM . I lent my brother the 700 back in the 80's , I don't think I'm getting it back lol . The fact that I don't have one anymore should say something . It really is a great big game cartridge , but I've come to prefer the 358W , which I currently use , or a 35 Whelen . If I had to narrow it down , I'd probably stick with the 358 W , it is a very under appreciated , but capable , round . There isn't much difference between them in the real world .
My brother has always wanted an original 600 in 350RM . For those who can handle them , I can , but don't want to , they are a very powerful , compact and handy rifle . He'll probably just have it to shoot occasionally and as an investment , they're getting very scarce here as well .
I've always had a thing for the 600's in 222 and 308 , they're fugly , but handy little things . With that in mind , I've always had a thing for bolt action shotguns as well , obviously I'm bereft of good taste or common sense lol .

AB
 
alberta boy said:
With that in mind , I've always had a thing for bolt action shotguns as well , obviously I'm bereft of good taste or common sense lol .
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When I was a primary school kid back in the 1950s I used to pass a grubby little gunshop on my route to Perth Southern District primary each day. The window display consisted of two or three Star Model B pistols sitting in their cheap cardboard cartons and a Marlin (I think) bolt-action goose gun. Oh how I fancied the shotgun - I'd stand at the window for minutes with my snotty nose pressed against the glass in the rain (memory says it was always raining in Perth in the 50s!) and long to have one.

I never did get a goose gun (or any shotgun for that matter), but eventually acquired a 9mm Star 'B' forty years later - always had a thing for 1911 type pistols - just in time to lose it after the UK pistol ban.
 
I own a few bolt action shotguns , a Mossberg 395 which is my dedicated slug gun ( we have shotgun only zones ) that has a reciever sights on it , shoots really well , a couple of Savage 410's and a H&R 16 gauge . They're just single shots with a handy place to store your ammo , but I like them .
A friend of my late father had a Marlin Super Goose in 10 gauge that was held in awe by a lot of the old boys , it had a lot of reach for big northerns .
As to the Star B's , great little pistols , I briefly had a PD model many years ago . The PD's were snappy little things , I traded it off for a Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Special . I also have a thing for 1911's , I currently have an officers model A1 and a standard 1911 A1 ( Norinco ) .

AB
 
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