Compulsory medical verification (with fee) - Beds./Cambs./Herts now.
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sikamlc, looks like me and your partner applied before Kent just changed the process, if you look on Kent website you will see you must now submit your application form, GP report, photo and fee all at the same time if not they now return your application. Guess they got fed up with an in tray full of applications waiting for the GP report to arrive.
Put in a simple way, everyone of BASC's members will be getting these letters in time and I hope bluesako's response is adopted by everyone.
As carl puts it - the process is not contained within the police responsibility - why should the doctor care if you become the illegal holder of firearms ? If you time to renewal runs out we all will be.
JR NOW - JR NOW -JR NOW.
If BASC don't do it now they deserve to lose their entire membership by having put them at unnecessary risk of being criminalised as well as being dilatory, unprofessional and hopelessly slavering after MP's.
As carl puts it - the process is not contained within the police responsibility - why should the doctor care if you become the illegal holder of firearms ? If you time to renewal runs out we all will be.
JR NOW - JR NOW -JR NOW.
If BASC don't do it now they deserve to lose their entire membership by having put them at unnecessary risk of being criminalised as well as being dilatory, unprofessional and hopelessly slavering after MP's.
O W C H !!! That is not an inconsequential ADDITIONAL expense to getting through the renewal process. Hope that is NOT indicative, but we shall all find out soon enough I suppose.. Heyho!
What I do NOT understand at all is that this Medical Checking business is (if one believes the hype) designed to increase Public security and confidence in the licensing process and Police control of said. So Why oh Why has it not been distributed as a COUNTRYWIDE process and not in this silly, piecemeal bit here, bit there etc. Etc. As is it does not imbue one with confidence I have to say.... And where has BASC been during this process?? Not impressed, not impressed at all..
Sinistral
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Think about this for a minute.
The GP has to go back over 5-10 years of clinical history. Even if your idea was feasible, I wouldn’t put my own selfish wants before the medical needs of patients. Not only is this an abuse of the surgery appointments system, it’s also queue jumping which I can’t abide in any form.
Hope you understand my points.
Benelli m2
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Beds/cambs/Herts are you surprised every police area will go this way
It's just a simple yes or no form unless you have declared an illness
My surgery charges £60 and no doctor involved you just go to the reception
And a person does it for you at the back
It's just a simple yes or no form unless you have declared an illness
My surgery charges £60 and no doctor involved you just go to the reception
And a person does it for you at the back
Personally I can't see how some of you running a campaign to destroy BASC is going to help resolve this issue, but if you have a master plan to back this up please pm or e-mail me, I would be delighted to read it.
I think there was a post above suggesting my Dad lives in Cambs, I would be a bit surprised, I am pretty sure he died 20 years ago, unless I was at the wrong funeral, or he has done a Reggie Perrin and started a new life.
I think there was a post above suggesting my Dad lives in Cambs, I would be a bit surprised, I am pretty sure he died 20 years ago, unless I was at the wrong funeral, or he has done a Reggie Perrin and started a new life.
enfieldspares
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What one could do to destroy BASC from within is maybe apply for and get appointed Director. Then cease to be Director and then get paid compensation. How much was that sum? Five figures? Six figures?
I think of late there has been little need of any outside input to destroy BASC. It seems to have done enough with little outside input needed.
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I think of late there has been little need of any outside input to destroy BASC. It seems to have done enough with little outside input needed.
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David,
No-one is running a campaign - speaking for myself as a non-BASC member but cogniscent of the label " The Voice of Shooting" , I am utterly mortified that NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT MEDICALS - legally that is. BASC is trying to avoid any blame over letting the CC's run through HOG to blight us and our sport with yet more costs/hoops/problems. First into the fight and last out of it - a proud regimental motto which just does not apply after this started in 2016.
You look at WJ and they try everything - you cant fault their commitment even if their cause is stupid and prejudiced, but they get a JR.
BASC tries the political route, again.
Frustration levels are, as you know, running at an all time high, why not, as has been stated, tear down what there is and start again.
I have favoured using BASC and changing its course and commitment with no real response to any letter etc - what is there left to protect shooting ?
It has become very serious as membership decline will eventually show - change now, issue a JR for Cambs and reap a magnificent reward, the alternative to me is to try again - what we have now just isn't cutting it.
Get someone in your legal dept. to have a look at this and say its inappropriate/irrelevant rubbish to try JR on here
How to work out if you should apply for judicial review — NCVO Knowhow
Judicial review is where courts examine the lawfulness of a public authority’s decision.
I know BASC wont reply but others will read this and the 'seeds of doubt will fly', as they should.
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Sadly Kes, i just don’t think BASC are up to the job, many have tried to light a fire under them to motivate them to take qualified legal advice and not just the opinion of one QC.
Proper legal advice from experts in the JR process and then good or bad publish to the members the expert advice received.
So we as members can say good old BASC at least they tried and we now understand why a JR is going to fail or yep a JR is possible we are issuing a JR pre-protocol letter.
Proper legal advice from experts in the JR process and then good or bad publish to the members the expert advice received.
So we as members can say good old BASC at least they tried and we now understand why a JR is going to fail or yep a JR is possible we are issuing a JR pre-protocol letter.
enfieldspares
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Meanwhile it is interesting to sit back and read this or how in September 2018 BASC spent £3,500 of its members' money. Yet BASC won't fund a judicial review? Perhaps a BASC member might ask how much, each year, for say the last five years BASC has spent on such activities and is it just MPs or Peers as well?
Adams, Nigel MP - Selby and Ansty
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation, or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire and one night’s accommodation; total value £953 Date received: 24-25 September 2018 Date accepted: 24 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 01 November 2018)
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan MP (Huntingdon)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation, or nature and value if donation in kind: One day's shooting and one night's hospitality, total value £953 Date received: 25 September 2018 Date accepted: 25 September 2018 Donor status: Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 05 October 2018)
Garnier, Mark MP (Wyre Forest)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire with a value of £700 Date received: 25 September 2018 Date accepted: 25 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 07 November 2018)
Wiggin, Bill MP (North Herefordshire)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire and one night’s accommodation; total value £953 Date received: 24-25 September 2018 Date accepted: 24 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 30 October 2018)
Adams, Nigel MP - Selby and Ansty
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation, or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire and one night’s accommodation; total value £953 Date received: 24-25 September 2018 Date accepted: 24 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 01 November 2018)
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan MP (Huntingdon)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation, or nature and value if donation in kind: One day's shooting and one night's hospitality, total value £953 Date received: 25 September 2018 Date accepted: 25 September 2018 Donor status: Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 05 October 2018)
Garnier, Mark MP (Wyre Forest)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire with a value of £700 Date received: 25 September 2018 Date accepted: 25 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 07 November 2018)
Wiggin, Bill MP (North Herefordshire)
Name of donor: British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) Address of donor: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham LL12 0HL Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: one day’s shooting at Catton Hall, South Derbyshire and one night’s accommodation; total value £953 Date received: 24-25 September 2018 Date accepted: 24 September 2018 Donor status: Registered Industrial and Provident Society No 28488R (Registered 30 October 2018)
enfieldspares
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And the follow up question might be to BASC who were the other guns? Catton usually stand how many? Eight or ten? So were the other guns people hosted and paid for by BASC? Or indeed officers or employees of BASC?
Orion
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Maybe they need some lessons on how to get a JR against the police up and running? Perhaps they could have a look at this website Fair Cop Org and learn something.
If you want the full story on how Harry Miller went from a standing start to the High Court in less than a year it’s worthwhile viewing the video through to the end - and they’ve only just begun, as there are a few more JRs in the pipeline if the College of Policing continue to politicise the service instead of getting on with the real job of policing (see the blog on the website for details).
As we have said many times, if a JR would fix this issue we ,or indeed another org would already have done it, I know that several of you won't accept this.
The resolution to this is as we said on our website, to get the Gp's engaged, markers on records. Then we get no further costs to the shooter, you can't do that with a JR.
The resolution to this is as we said on our website, to get the Gp's engaged, markers on records. Then we get no further costs to the shooter, you can't do that with a JR.
enfieldspares
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This getting GPs involved. Will it involve some of them enjoying a two hundred bird day at Catton Hall?
but can not a JR be used to ensure the police follow HO2016? If not why not and publish your QC advice.
What plan do you have to deliver as per your website what progress has been made towards it? When do you think you will achieve it this year? Next year? Or next century?
Have you met with the Home Secretary yet? If so what was the result of the meeting?
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