Potential lead ban?

[Roestalker39]

No, it's because they have no idea how to cook it, and it's alien to them. It's not on their food repertoire, and most purchases of food and drink are just repeat purchases. Frankly, a hell of a lot of hunters don't know how to cook game either. It's complicated because it doesn't have the quality control of farmed meat: an old rabbit is totally different from a young one, but the label just says "Rabbit". That is controlled for domestic animals.

Hmmmmm yes ! I’m afraid we’re going to have to agree to disagree here ,

 

[Pine Marten]

Hmmmmm yes ! I’m afraid we’re going to have to agree to disagree here ,

Well, do you have any data to back up your point of view? Serious question. Our views are irrelevant, we're in a bubble.

 

[Greenmist]

No, it's because they have no idea how to cook it, and it's alien to them. It's not on their food repertoire, and most purchases of food and drink are just repeat purchases. Frankly, a hell of a lot of hunters don't know how to cook game either. It's complicated because it doesn't have the quality control of farmed meat: an old rabbit is totally different from a young one, but the label just says "Rabbit". That is controlled for domestic animals.

I agree to a certain extent, but I'll also suggest lots of people don't have the palate for it, market game as much as you want but it will never replace the mainstream meats.

 

[25 Sharps]

No, it's because they have no idea how to cook it, and it's alien to them. It's not on their food repertoire, and most purchases of food and drink are just repeat purchases. Frankly, a hell of a lot of hunters don't know how to cook game either. It's complicated because it doesn't have the quality control of farmed meat: an old rabbit is totally different from a young one, but the label just says "Rabbit". That is controlled for domestic animals.

This. But for some it most definitely is because nasty men spend lots of money to shoot it for fun

 

[Roestalker39]

Well, do you have any data to back up your point of view? Serious question. Our views are irrelevant, we're in a bubble.

do you ? As someone who by the looks of your threads and experience harvests very little game and deer seems to have a fantastic insight into why people don’t eat game ? I can honestly attest that I harvest over 100 deer and and only a dozen or so go to a game dealer , the rest are it here up for family friends and landowners / keepers , some are butchered up for a golf course manager and his employees none of which have asked how to cook it at all , at the end of the day some don’t like the thought of eating game , that’s the be all and end all of it , if someone wants to try and cook or prepare game there is a plethora of information videos etc available lack of info isn’t an excuse

 

[enfieldspares]

I've never liked to eat wild duck. So contributors here are correct.

You either like X, Y or Z or you don't. Even when I had my own land a a pond on which mallard and wigeon came in (so my shooting was free, as I liked, when I liked) I never really shot it for duck but once every two weeks even though I was there maybe every other day with a gun. And this is the days of lead shot too.

A nice reared domestic duck is a treat. But a wild duck. Shot with lead, steel, bismuth, or even died through being talked to death by vicars I'd not want to eat it. Even too is someone else had cooked it. I can't stand it

 

[Odders]

Ask any of the major AGHEs what proportion of the venison is farmed
Then ask them where it comes from
At the current rate UK farmed Venison will take decades to catch up with the volume of venison required and also compete with the volume of venison shot .
Also if farmed venison takes over what happens to the hundreds of thousands of deer that are shot as part of land management and national agency policies ?
You will see a collapse in the price of Venison followed by a very quick collapse of any estate of the relies on guests stalking or quantities of venison to bolster their cash flow

What makes you think the pet food market will accept meat with metal in it?

The collapse in the price given for venison has already happened.

 

[Dunwaters]

In that case stop drinking beer which has a very high lead level, higher than shot game - run your taps if you live in an old property so you avoid dissolved lead and also tell DEFRA they are wrong.
There is no safe level of flying, of driving, of butter (oh that's changed back), meat, bacon and sausages are high risk many many things and unless you mine lead, smelt lead or any metals with a lead component, you arent more at risk than of breaking your neck when getting out of bed, or maybe a bacon sarni now and again for tea.
Perspective is everything, being populist is nothing.

No safe level of drinking
A large new global study published in the Lancet has confirmed previous research which has shown that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption. The researchers admit moderate drinking may protect against heart disease but found that the risk of cancer and other diseases outweighs these protections.24 Aug 2018

Stop all drinking or be sensible?

My personal view is that the lead ban has very little to do with health or safety, it's simply a mechanism to reduce and eventually ban game shooting, it's being implemented on a public health band wagon and that's a very difficult thing to argue against.
Which is probably why that particular tack has been taken.
I hadn't read the latest findings on alcohol consumption, zero safe level eeh?
Following a period of mature reflection I'm going to continue with current custom and practice, no sudden changes, I'm not going to listen to the biased and ill informed opinions of a bunch of quacks who may not even be licenced to practice anymore.
A full review is required, I demand that the matter is immediately referred to the Chemical Agency.
Zero safe level my hole.

 

[kripton]

To change the direction of this subject slightly, has anyone made copper clad .243 rounds using bismuth as a core and, if so, with what result (other than cost)?

 

[Jagare]

To change the direction of this subject slightly, has anyone made copper clad .243 rounds using bismuth as a core and, if so, with what result (other than cost)?

How would you get Bismuth cored bullets too expand?

 

[Jagare]

All the studies in Sweden have shown that lead in its solid form is not a danger to the environment. Neither is eating lead shot game when wound areas are properly trimmed. There are now plenty of core locked bullets on the market that retain 90%+ weight so I,ll not be changing to mono bullets any time soon. There have been numerous test done with mono bullets here and none have shown them to be superior to lead in fact in a lot of cases the have **** poor performance. If there was ever a lead ban in Sweden then it would be the end of the 6.5x55 as a class 1 hunting caliber . The .243 will go the same way for deer in Scotland.

 

[AndrewS]

But as I said before game being shot with steel with have zero effect on people wanting to buy game and that’s what will drive sales ! People who refuse to eat game do so because nasty men with guns shoot it !

This^^. A lot of people eat meat, they don't think about where it comes from. I think the probem many have with game (especaly game bird) is the fact that they know it has been killed in the name of "sport" or "fun". WJ et al publicise this much more than the meat industry publicises what happens in an abbatoir...

 

[kripton]

How would you get Bismuth cored bullets too expand?

I don't think they would but the shrapnell effect should deal with thin skinned quarry - not so good for anything you may want to eat however. - how about a tungsten core? - would that expand or is it too hard?

 

[Sika-Hunter]

some don’t like the thought of eating game

Nowadays it has to look like Chicken , taste like Chicken but be made from plants

 

[reloader54]

Nowadays it has to look like Chicken , taste like Chicken but be made from pants

or in the case of kfc ,,,, see above correction.

 

[kenbro]

I don't think they would but the shrapnell effect should deal with thin skinned quarry - not so good for anything you may want to eat however. - how about a tungsten core? - would that expand or is it too hard?

It should go through walls okay.
Ken.

 

[sh1kar]

In that case stop drinking beer which has a very high lead level, higher than shot game - run your taps if you live in an old property so you avoid dissolved lead and also tell DEFRA they are wrong.
There is no safe level of flying, of driving, of butter (oh that's changed back), meat, bacon and sausages are high risk many many things and unless you mine lead, smelt lead or any metals with a lead component, you arent more at risk than of breaking your neck when getting out of bed, or maybe a bacon sarni now and again for tea.
Perspective is everything, being populist is nothing.

No safe level of drinking
A large new global study published in the Lancet has confirmed previous research which has shown that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption. The researchers admit moderate drinking may protect against heart disease but found that the risk of cancer and other diseases outweighs these protections.24 Aug 2018

Stop all drinking or be sensible?

you missed mercury in salmon...

I eat a lot of it - don't drink much beer. Red meat, venison maybe couple times week otherwise a lot of wild fish and shellfish, poultry inc shot pheasant and partridge. home grown lamb off Downs 3/4 times a month, BIG Melton Mowbray, good bacon, Ham maybe 3 times a month, Lot gin, not much tonic - all that sh1t sugar and saccharine every day. Good wine with sh1t loads of sulphites very day. Just rowed 5K in 14 mins 45 secs on machine, swam a bit Will let know when fall over............

 

[Benelli m2]

It will not happen

 

[Redleg]

I don't think they would but the shrapnell effect should deal with thin skinned quarry - not so good for anything you may want to eat however. - how about a tungsten core? - would that expand or is it too hard?

It would probably expand and fire radioactive shrapnel throughout the carcass.
But It would be quite easy to detect with a geiger counter though.

 

[Harry mac]

I don't think they would but the shrapnell effect should deal with thin skinned quarry - not so good for anything you may want to eat however. - how about a tungsten core? - would that expand or is it too hard?

Seeing as tungsten is used as an armour penetrator, I think it might be a tad hard.