.222 or .22-250?

It doesn't matter what you use as long as its legal for the task in hand, what matters is you are able to shoot it safely and effectively, i use a 22.250 it's my goto Rifle it's what you have confidence in that counts , not the calibre. i can shoot just as many Rabbits and Foxes as my 2 mates with their trendy .204 Rugers or .223 or 222, just be happy with what you have, i don't care if the .204 shoots flatter i am able to adjust or hold off for the distance if required. Nothing shoots flat the moment your projectile leaves the barrel it's dropping
, it's understanding how and why it's dropping and compensating it that counts.
 
I'm not sure there's much between them, it can be nice to have an 'uber-flat' calibre when shooting at night for sure, a friend swears by his 204, another by a .243 with 58gr bullets almost making 4000fps. I love my .222 for spending hours of trigger time practising without spending much on reloading components and it's the calibre i honed my load development ability on for that same reason before spending too much money on developing loads for my rem mag. I'd say if you want cheap shooting with low recoil then get a .222 for sure, but as you don't fire many rounds a year i'd say consider a .243 if you want a flat shooting rifle
 
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My take on this argument. A .222 or .223 can be had a nice trim smalll actioned little rifle that just the ticket for pottering a Roe Buck - i am thinking the mini mauser actioned CZs or Sako’s or an old rook rifle or shulz and larsen.

If you are on a full action size it doesn’t make much difference whether its 243, 22-250, 222,or 223.

I have a left hand 223 heavy barrel remington for sole reason of it being a cheap to run gong bashing rifle for the range. And its half the cost to run compared to a full size centrefire.
 
If you intend eating any venison, best avoid the .22-250, the .222 is much, much better for the kitchen, assuming a decent bullet for the purpose is being used.
 
1000 ft/lb v 1600/1700 ft/lb. How much do you really need to kill a rabbit?
And a lot more powder. The .222 is cheaper to reload.

I used to shoot far more rabbits than foxes with my triple. 10 to 1 probably and I kept most of the carcasses. Unless you're just playing and using your quarry for target practice you don't need more than 300 yards capability. You don't really need more than 200.

If I knew I'd be shooting mostly 200 yard-ish rabbits and a few foxes, I'd pick a .222. And that is what I was shooting so that is what I bought. Had it been foxes with a few small deer (where legal) it would have been a .22-250. It's not really revolutionary thinking.
 
Seriously - With respect , can you please explain

The .22-250 is a powerful cartridge with a larger capacity case than the other .22CF and consequently develops a lot of energy. Designed for varminting the 50gr bullet, travelling at circa 4000fps developing around 1800ft/lb will turn a rabbit into red mist. Great for foxes where the primary reason is to eliminate but not so good for meat recovery. They are also loud and take a lot of moderator to calm the bang. As @Finch says it's over the top for rabbits, perfect (IMO) as a dedicated foxing, night vision equipped rifle, where it excels. To contain the pressure/forces generated they also tend to be heavy (compared to a triple 2 or 223).
 
The triple could hit them pretty damn hard as well. And ballistic tips are unpredictable. I've shot 150 yard rabbits with the triple and they've practically exploded with little more than a pelt left and a moisture cloud drifting down the field. Then I've shot others at similar distances through the ribs and been able to put them on the table. I never felt the need for another 800 fps and another 700 ft/lb..

And you're right about the noise. I've been out lamping with a mate, him shooting a moderated .223 and me with an HMR with a cheapo SAC mod on it and for noise you couldn't tell them apart.
 
1000 ft/lb v 1600/1700 ft/lb. How much do you really need to kill a rabbit?
And a lot more powder. The .222 is cheaper to reload.

I used to shoot far more rabbits than foxes with my triple. 10 to 1 probably and I kept most of the carcasses. Unless you're just playing and using your quarry for target practice you don't need more than 300 yards capability. You don't really need more than 200.

If I knew I'd be shooting mostly 200 yard-ish rabbits and a few foxes, I'd pick a .222. And that is what I was shooting so that is what I bought. Had it been foxes with a few small deer (where legal) it would have been a .22-250. It's not really revolutionary thinking.

Well certainly not 1000FPE to kill a 3lb bunny.
I find it very odd that you believe that a calibre generating 1200Ftlb is " perfectly suitable" - Yet you dismiss the 22.250 as over kill.

Yes the 250 produces significantly more energy - but the same argument could be had , for the 22 Hornet against the 222 ... and make a point that a 222 is overkill. Then why not use an HMR and just get closer etc , etc. - you see where I'm going with this.

It seems to me that the 222 isn't overkill because you own one ,.. and obviously rate it. I am sure that many air rifle shooters would think that the 222 is over kill when they are shooting and killing bunnies with sub 12 ftlb - and the U.S shooters would read this and find it crazy / astonishing that are even talking about the 22.250 being unsuitable for varmint shooting , considering that was what the calibre was designed and created for

Lets face it , If you hit a rabbit in the body with a 222 its going to make a real mess, especially with a varmint bullet. Most of the meat will be not edible ( I have a 223 and shot hundreds of rabbits with it) . That's exactly the same with the 22.250.

IME , the level of damage caused is more influenced by the bullet selected , than the specific 0.224 calibre used. For example my 223 shooting a 40gn SBK at 3800fps causes more meat damage than my 22br using heavier / slower pills ( which has ballistics very similar to the 22.250) Fortunately both calibres are easily accurate enough to head shoot rabbits and therefore keep the meat. However the 22.250 will allow to significantly extend the range.

Also , it must be said that not all rabbits are for the pot , are they ? , They may be culled for pest control in which case it doesn't really matter what the damage is done.

Form my experience of owning several different .224 CF calibres ( including - 22 H , 222 , 223 , 223AI , 22.250 and 22Br) The extra speed and power produced by the 22.250 not only gives the benefit of less drop , less wind drift and harder hitting , but it also means that varmint bullets are less likely to ricochet and therefore safer.

Now regarding the costs - the 22.250 costs about 10p a shot more than my 223 (for the additional powder used). Therefore I can have a great afternoon with a high performance centrefire and shoot 20 rounds or so , for a couple of quid extra.

I am not knocking the 222 at all. its a great little round - but I think saying that a calibre that has been specifically created for shooting varmints - isn't suitable, is flawed. Horses for courses I guess


Alan
 
I said it was perfectly reasonable not perfectly suitable. Which means that it'll do not that it's ideal. But whatever. I'm not getting into a pedantic hair-splitting contest, I can't summon the interest.
 
The arguments of whats better than this, that, or the other will always be here, whats best is usually what is in the cabinet.

Im surprised Sir slots didnt say that the 17 rem was better 😉
 
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