Any others cynical about a vaccine?

[FrenchieBoy]

Coming back to the original post I have to say that even though I said in earlier posts that I would be reluctant to have a vaccination that had not gone through long term testing but now after taking into account the most recent and fairly favourable reports (If they are to be believed, which I am inclined to) I am now swinging towards the thought that if I take mine and my wife's health conditions into account I would be much more likely to have the vaccination when it is made available to those in "vulnerable" groups of people.
Others might well disagree with this line of thoughts (which is fine as we all have free choice) but I personally think that it is now worth the risk in hoping that the vaccination might give us a degree of "immunity/protection" and help to protect us through this wretched Covid19 c**k up!

Edit: Just an after thought that has come to me - There has been so much talk about "Herd Immunity" on this and other threads would having this vaccination help towards giving you a degree of "Herd Immunity", if so it has to be better than these constant "restrictions and lock downs which I don't think are doing much good at all for the people or the economy of the UK?

 

[bowji john]

I'm sitting on the fence at the moment with this

Like others I have concerns about the 'rush to production'

I also am interested in its efficacy in providing long term cover, and absence of undesirable side effects - I hear reports that the Pfizer offering is effective only for a month (Don't know if that is true)

That might still be of use for very high risk groups but I would have thought not much use for a country wide immunity program

What would push me off the fence would be a requirement for proof of vaccine for foreign travel

Also

I work with excluded kids, and only yesterday I got a call informing me that a teacher who, came with a student 8 days ago, and at the time companied of feeling unwell, has subsequently tested positive

I have fairly robust controls in place here and they seem to have worked as no one else from that day has tested +ve

It puts a different slant on things when it comes knocking on your door

 

[glasshalffull]

Would you let your kid's have the vaccine?
Is it being trialed on under 16yr olds?
Kids are a main reservoir of infection it'll not be gone anytime soon unless they are vaccinated too. Don't expect many parents are going to agree to this especially with history of autism link with MMR vaccine. At least the old and sick should benefit, hopefully. But we'll be living with covid-19 for a decade or longer. Cheerful Fri thought

 

[BryanDC]

Would you let your kid's have the vaccine?
Is it being trialed on under 16yr olds?
Kids are a main reservoir of infection it'll not be gone anytime soon unless they are vaccinated too. Don't expect many parents are going to agree to this especially with history of autism link with MMR vaccine. At least the old and sick should benefit, hopefully. But we'll be living with covid-19 for a decade or longer. Cheerful Fri thought

There is no link and yes I would let my children have this.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

I'm sitting on the fence at the moment with this

Like others I have concerns about the 'rush to production'

I also am interested in its efficacy in providing long term cover, and absence of undesirable side effects - I hear reports that the Pfizer offering is effective only for a month (Don't know if that is true)

That might still be of use for very high risk groups but I would have thought not much use for a country wide immunity program

What would push me off the fence would be a requirement for proof of vaccine for foreign travel

Also

I work with excluded kids, and only yesterday I got a call informing me that a teacher who, came with a student 8 days ago, and at the time companied of feeling unwell, has subsequently tested positive

I have fairly robust controls in place here and they seem to have worked as no one else from that day has tested +ve

It puts a different slant on things when it comes knocking on your door

I'm not saying that you are wrong John but I haven't heard anything about what you say Pfizer are saying about the length of protection. Is there anywhere (Maybe a link) where we can see this "report" please?

 

[bowji john]

I'm not saying that you are wrong John but I haven't heard anything about what you say Pfizer are saying about the length of protection. Is there anywhere (Maybe a link) where we can see this "report" please?

I'll try and find the source

You know what its like - you hear so much from so many different directions it is difficult to remember where you got it from let alone able to verify it

I think it was a TV article that looked at the class of vaccines that employ the same science that lies behind Pfizer's approach

I'll come back to you - in the mean time - I suppose like all we hear at the moment, take it with a pinch of salt

 

[Fair Hill]

Aggggghhhhh, now they're targeting the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scientists take to TikTok to explain how vaccines work | BreakingNews

A group led by researchers and clinicians called Team Halo is using TikTok to help ‘reassure’ users of the safety of vaccines

www.breakingnews.ie

 

[FrenchieBoy]

I'll try and find the source

You know what its like - you hear so much from so many different directions it is difficult to remember where you got it from let alone able to verify it

I think it was a TV article that looked at the class of vaccines that employ the same science that lies behind Pfizer's approach

I'll come back to you - in the mean time - I suppose like all we hear at the moment, take it with a pinch of salt

I know exactly what you mean John.
We are all hearing so much about these vaccines and in many cases some quite conflicting reports that we can easily loose track of them and end up not knowing what to believe!

 

[Buchan]

Don't expect many parents are going to agree to this especially with history of autism link with MMR vaccine.

There is no link. There was, however, spectalcular fraud.

 

[Fair Hill]

Pfizer's are ready to start shipping as soon as they get the green light.

Interesting to note that of the more than 43,000 volunteers that took part in the trial only 170 of them got the virus, and of those 170 people that did get the virus over 95% of them (162) had been given the placebo.

Pfizer jab will be out 'in hours' of approval with 'normal life back in 2021'

THE boss of one of the companies leading the charge for a coronavirus vaccine says there is “a light at the end of the tunnel”. Pfizer chief executive Albert Bourla – who announce…

www.thesun.ie

 

[mealiejimmy]

Would you let your kid's have the vaccine?
Is it being trialed on under 16yr olds?
Kids are a main reservoir of infection it'll not be gone anytime soon unless they are vaccinated too. Don't expect many parents are going to agree to this especially with history of autism link with MMR vaccine. At least the old and sick should benefit, hopefully. But we'll be living with covid-19 for a decade or longer. Cheerful Fri thought

There is no link between MMR and Autism - that entire episode was a scam by Andrew Whitfield (he is no longer a doctor) to make money and has been thoroughly debunked many times.
It's only the Raving Loony Anti Vaxxers who keep this dangerous rubbish alive.

Bruce

 

[Pedro]

Frankly, a bit of hope that these vaccines are good is no bad thing. There have now been a number of news stories of a positive nature about them interviewing various scientists who all say things are looking up.

There's always a chance that there will still be a "slip twixt cup and lip" but I am becoming ever more hopeful.

 

[zambezi]

ONS says is that deaths are above average for the ninth week in a row and well above average for the year to date.

Agree. Year one for this novel virus has edged mortality figures about 12% higher wrt the average mortality in England and Wales over previous 5 years.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fweeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales%2f2020/publishedweek452020.xlsx

 

[zambezi]

 

[zambezi]

Interesting fact from W.H.O. covid mortality stats for U.K. - change in deaths per million rate has dropped steadily since 18th October 2020. I.e. that trend pre-dated the second lock down.

 

[Fair Hill]

What have the last three posts got to do with vaccines?

 

[Hayduke]

Sitting on the fence:

• mRNA vaccines are new tech, this is the first
• Trial size is small
• Rushed through testing

 

[Fair Hill]

Sitting on the fence:

• mRNA vaccines are new tech, this is the first
• Trial size is small
• Rushed through testing

Necessity is the mother of all invention.

 

[mealiejimmy]

I have no doubt that the regulatory authorities in the USA, UK and Europe will NOT give any Covid 19 vaccine a license to be used if they have significant doubts about its efficacy or safety.
They have to assess the possible risks against the benefits of licensing a vaccine and just because it has been developed in a very short period of time will no doubt be a factor in their decision.
However, the fact that it typically takes 10 years to get a vaccine licensed and into production is not relevant in the case of Covid because most vaccines are not perceived to be needed as urgently as a vaccine for Covid 19.
In addition, vaccines are normally developed pretty much in secret by individual companies whereas in this case, multiple companies have collaborated and combined their efforts and resources with the very directed goal of creating a vaccine aimed primarily at the spike protein on the surface of the virus.
The genetic code for the virus was made public soon after cases started to surge in China, and given advances in our knowledge of genetics and our abilities to manipulate genetic material, mRNA vaccines were always going be a route worth exploring.
If the two front runner vaccines receive regulatory approval, my wife and I fully intend to be vaccinated at the earliest possible opportunity.
Anyone refusing the opportunity to receive the vaccine should consider the consequences not only for themselves, but more importantly, for their circle of family, friends and work colleagues.
Any and all anti vaccination propaganda (and that is all it is) should be ignored and treated with the utter contempt it deserves

Cheers

Bruce

 

[mchughcb]

What have the last three posts got to do with vaccines?

I don't know, but if we don't get a vaccine I think its fair to say I have a 99.9969% of surviving. Which are good enough odds I'll live long enough to vote the politicians out.