Any others cynical about a vaccine?

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The ole FLO is brought up to gaslight anybody suspicious of peoples intentions. I guess you could take the attitude we lock all guns and that will solve gun crime. We could lock everyone to solve infectious diseases. STDs would be gone, HIV gone, influenza gone, .

Is it worth it?
 
Seems like the Govt going to go with Pfizer’s Vaccine, yet theirs is the hardest one to store with temps and times etc.
Ken.
 
Oh no, tinfoil hat time again......
If you don’t want to get the vaccine then don’t.
I do so I will.
Did you hear that there’s going to be a Coronavirus passport for people who take the vaccine?
It’ll allow you to go to the pub and stand at the bar with your mates, use the jakes on an airplane , go to the shops without a mask and cough freely in public.
Can’t wait......😎
I agree with you if someone wants to die of it when they could have been saved then **** off and die personally I will have it ASAP.
 
Seems like the Govt going to go with Pfizer’s Vaccine, yet theirs is the hardest one to store with temps and times etc.
Ken.
Our government did a deal with Pfizer early when theirs looked good at the mid trials to secure early deliveries, we are now try to do a deal with Modena to get theirs. Hindsight a great tool but at the time they did the deal with Pfizer it looked like the right thing to do. If and when the Oxford one gets approved that adds another variable, still all good news
 
Sorry, I have no respect for anyone who believes this anti vax conspiracy theory tripe.
Allowing beliefs such as those to endure puts us all at risk.
OK, I agree that people should not be forced to have the Covid vaccine (although, given how infectious it is, I would make the measles vaccine mandatory)
The government needs to run an ad campaign like the successful AIDS ad campaign in the 1980s to educate the population of both the benefits of having the vaccines and the consequences of not having the vaccine.

Cheers

Bruce
 
Can’t help but feel very suspicious of any supposed vaccine for covid.
we don’t have effective vaccines for other corona viruses, at best they limit affects, to bring out vaccinations so swiftly means they can’t have been tested to the N’th degree, side affects can’t be known, but the real cynic in me thinks this is the only way they can reverse the clusterfuk of a situation we are in right now, give everyone a placebo, tell the world it’s fine to resume normality, people continue to die, but instead of everyone being fearful of the dreaded covid, they die of flu, cancer, whatever it may be, but no one is ever declared victim of covid ever again..... the world is saved, and whoever comes up with said vaccine is rich beyond their wildest dreams.
anyone got any tin foil, I’m running low on hats.
They started making it years ago.......

 
Anti vaxxer's barred from flying with Qantas Airline, hopefully other airline operators will see sense and follow suit.

Lets's hope every airline, ferry company, train company, bus company and taxi cab does the same.
There will, of course, be a roaring trade in fake vaccine certificates, but it will be easy to know when it's a fake certifcate because the holder of the certificate will be wearing a tin foil helmet :rofl:

Cheers

Bruce
 
By the sound of it from here the queues for the vaccine won't be as long as I thought. At least myself and my family won't need to wait as long for it.

By the way apparently Donald Trump won the election as well. Another topic that shouldn't need debating.
 
Encouraging news re the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine:

  • It costs a fraction of the cost of either the Pfizer or Moderna offerings [it is being offered at cost]
  • It does not need to be stored at -70 to remain viable [existing NHS 'fridges are fine]
  • It uses an inert variant of a cold virus to transport the SARS spike protein genetic material into the human cell which then produces antibodies



 
Lets's hope every airline, ferry company, train company, bus company and taxi cab does the same.
There will, of course, be a roaring trade in fake vaccine certificates, but it will be easy to know when it's a fake certifcate because the holder of the certificate will be wearing a tin foil helmet :rofl:

Cheers

Bruce

I'd rather see an effective independent international early warning and monitoring system set up (with regional presence in countries where population density is sufficiently high to facilitate the dissemination of such viruses) so that when, as opposed to if, the next outbreak of importance occurs, appropriate measures can be implemented in a timely fashion, including the immediate cessation of transportation of potential vectors of the illness.

In the spirit of fair play, observance of both rights and responsibilities and observance of duty of care toward their fellow men, all international travellers should indeed have their jab, and as part of their acceptance of the fine print in the airlines' terms and conditions of the carriers looking to facilitate the desires of those wishing to venture globally, should also sign a declaration that in the event of another outbreak, they understand that they will be obliged to stay put wherever they find themselves until such time as the outbreak is contained, i.e. NO repatriation or onward travel until the 'all clear' is signalled.

As Leec suggests, it doesn't come under it's own steam on a bicycle, and can be defeated in short order by immediate cessation of movement and mixing of people in close proximity; if we can learn any one thing about and from our current experience, it is that prevention is better, and far less costly than waiting, hoping and toiling to devise a cure.

At least then, those who are 'adventurous global citizens' can acknowledge and take full responsibility for the impact of their wanderlust on the rest of society, for as suggested it didn't come West on a bicycle. This would spare the citizen 'bubbles' of our isle the inconvenience of heading off to their pre-allocated acre of the UK for a fortnight of wild camping, which would of course ensure the demise of the pathogen, but also come at no small cost in terms of fatalities, I'm sure. The minority should consider and adapt their behaviour to safeguard the "grandads' and vulnerable" of the majority 'back home'.

WHO in this regard need not apply for the gig, as their woeful and glaring shortcomings, combined with CCP's efforts to cover up the outbreak put one in the mind not so much of tinfoil millinery this time, but more of chocolate fireguards.
 
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I'd rather see an effective independent international early warning and monitoring system set up

Agree.

This won't be the last virus scourge. What we need going forward is an appropriate response strategy. You lay that out well. There are some broad lessons to be learnt:

  • National lockdowns did not save lives. Tactical, limited lockdowns could hem in pioneer contagious persons if detected early. Travellers have an increased responsibility here for candour re symptoms, self-isolation, etc.
  • Related to the first point: detection is key. Accurate assay of infection AND vulnerability are key if subsequent policy is to be effective. [ after all these months, the accuracy of the test we use is still doubtful. Musk was tested 4 times in one day by same nurse. Two positive results, two negative. How are policy makers to deal with that?] And once you know how inaccurate your test is, take steps to improve and replace. the importance of T-cell data was understood early on...
  • Do not again abandon the established western medicine protocol of "protect the vulnerable, allow movement of those who won't succumb" which approach is the backbone of the relevant UK legislation [slavish aping of China's lockdown has served us poorly]
  • Stop under-funding the NHS. Test-and-trace should be a capability within the NHS that can be scaled up as required. Ad hoc third party testing scrambled to cover a gap that closing NHS labs created is avoidable.
 
History is full of examples of drug failures: Polio, thalidomide, pyridostigmine bromide. It is reasonable to question the science. mRNA vaccines are entirely new tech, trial size is small, and test timescales short. The rapid vaccine regulatory approval process fuels vaccine hesitancy. Doesn't make those with questions or concerns anti-vaxers. Free choice, free will.
 
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