leaving bolts in rifle when in cabinet

[Brithunter]

Well seeing as how I have several rifles of the same model/action I will keep them together. i.e bolts in uncocked.

As for easing springs well back in my practica; pistols days the routines with new magazines was to load them up and stick them in the cabinet for a week or to lessen the spring tension and make speed loading of the mags easier, this did not compress them beyond their design limits so how come it worked?

 

[DOONBOY]

How much do you value you ticket?saves all the complications,split them up.good practise

 

[mark@mbb]

I thought if your wife didnt have the rifles on her fac she wouldnt be allowed to use the same cabinet ht sg your wife bought would have to go in a different cabinet i may be wrong

Mark

 

[Apache]

How much do you value you ticket?saves all the complications,split them up.good practise

There's no requirement to separate the bolt. This in no way what-so-ever puts your ticket in any risk.



You want me to lock my shotgun action, barrels and forestock separate next? I need more cabinets...........

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

JB sorry for that, GUNsafes are not much better, drill a hole in line with one of the pins hit it with a hammer and punch and watch it spring open, unless you paid a tidy sum for it the system will not be cantilevered. Same applies to some guncabinets.

I guess that you do not understand what a 'safe' is then do you? If you cut of and completely remove the hinges from a safe, what happens? Well, nothing happens, you have pieces of hinge on the floor. Hinges on a safe are to facilitate opening the door if you then manage to pick the lock or magically find the key and you open the door it will fall out of the rebate and flatten you. Your terminology needs to be reappraised, do not confuse a cabinet with a safe!!! BTW I have a SAFE not a tin cabinet!

Apologies for wandering off topic!

 

[finnbear270]

There's no requirement to separate the bolt. This in no way what-so-ever puts your ticket in any risk.

You want me to lock my shotgun action, barrels and forestock separate next? I need more cabinets...........

....... when would you not separate working parts then, maybe asking it this way round might work?, plus I never suggested f.a.c.'s were at risk by not removing bolts etc, what I did say was I would have an awkward time explaining why a fully functioning firearm was obtained.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

Common sense here would tell me to separate the bolt from the rifle , mine are secured some were else , so if I I was unfortunate enough to have my firearm cabinet broken into ,all a thief would be able to take away is a pipe attached to a piece of wood, as we all know its practically imposable to replace a bolt or purchase one and would be use less to any would be thief. It isnt a requirement by law to separate but wise to do so in my view, but each to their own beliefs.

 

[Uncle Buck]

A firearms licence is hard to obtain (provided you meet the right criteria, requirements. etc. etc.)

But slip up the wrong way and they don't apply. It's GONE, SIMPLE. For the sake off removing the

bolt and hiding the forend, (EVEN THOUGH BY LAW IT'S NOT REQUIRED ), it's no big deal.

No point closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

Just hope you never need put it to the test !!!!!!!

Rgds, Buck.

 

[finnbear270]

Bucky, I'm sure there's a pun in there somewhere's!

 

[bewsher500]

I wonder what the actual figures for burglaries involving firearms theft in the UK are? (and before anyone gets excited, I am intrigued not trying to demonstrate that we should all be allowed to keep our rifles under the bed!)
from reading the press it seems easier to buy a glock or a sawn off shotgun in a pub than get done for B&E and go to the trouble of finding a FAC holders stash as well.

Raul Moat got his is less than 48 hours of being released didnt he?

 

[norma 308]

I thought if your wife didnt have the rifles on her fac she wouldnt be allowed to use the same cabinet ht sg your wife bought would have to go in a different cabinet i may be wrong

Mark

fao says all i gotta do is put bike type lock through trigger guards or through gap between scope and action as said before she was a rozzer not that makes much difference

 

[stalkinginengland]

Have the same thing with my wife holding a shot gun cert . But she is not allowed to go to the cabinet and get it out and her 12 bore is on my shot gun cert as well and I have to get it out of the cabinet for her. What a load of sh1t

 

[norma 308]

Have the same thing with my wife holding a shot gun cert . But she is not allowed to go to the cabinet and get it out and her 12 bore is on my shot gun cert as well and I have to get it out of the cabinet for her. What a load of sh1t

just put post on tonight mrs got her cert today !

 

[BisleyMan]

Actually you could say that there is a legal requirement, and this is what the police are looking at. You are required to take all reasonable steps to secure you firearms and provide reasonalbe security. The police a re saying that it is reasonable to remove the bolt and store it in a seperate lockable location if you have one.

Also if you don't remove the bolt and you are burgled and rifle stolen your insurance will no cover you as my mate found out, so the insurance company have interperated this the same way as the police.

 

[finnbear270]

Actually you could say that there is a legal requirement, and this is what the police are looking at. You are required to take all reasonable steps to secure you firearms and provide reasonalbe security. The police a re saying that it is reasonable to remove the bolt and store it in a seperate lockable location if you have one.

Also if you don't remove the bolt and you are burgled and rifle stolen your insurance will no cover you as my mate found out, so the insurance company have interperated this the same way as the police.

Sounds pretty much like game set & match to me!

 

[Milligan]

Actually you could say that there is a legal requirement, and this is what the police are looking at. You are required to take all reasonable steps to secure you firearms and provide reasonalbe security. The police a re saying that it is reasonable to remove the bolt and store it in a seperate lockable location if you have one.

Also if you don't remove the bolt and you are burgled and rifle stolen your insurance will no cover you as my mate found out, so the insurance company have interperated this the same way as the police.

Insurance companies repudiate claims as a matter of course; unless their policies are so prescriptive, which I doubt, as to state bolts must be stored seperately it is not a breach of condition.

As for the legislative element; I would challenge you to find a case where precedent has been set that "reasonable" means removing the bolt and storing seperately. Unless you've been negligent there is nothing to worry about.

Finally, it would appear to me that many shooters seem intent on creating their own regulations through heresay and misunderstanding. Ignorance and fear perpetuate it.

 

[finnbear270]

see section 2.2 http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100408114924/http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/operational-policing/firearms-handbook2835.pdf?view=Binary

 

[kennyc]

see section 2.2 http://webarchive.nationalarchives....olicing/firearms-handbook2835.pdf?view=Binary

2.2 As an additional level of security, ammunition and easily removable component parts – such
as rifle bolts etc - may be stored separately from the firearms they fit. This could be either by use
of a detached storage container fitted elsewhere in the dwelling, or one built into or onto the
firearms cabinet.
doesn't say MUST anyway, aren't we just going around in circles here? those that do will continue to do, those that don't won't, there is no definitive wrong or right, just different ways and means.

 

[bewsher500]

it would appear to me that many shooters seem intent on creating their own regulations through heresay and misunderstanding. Ignorance and fear perpetuate it.

so very true.
this was in some way my point with the "any other legal quarry" "requirement" and people shooting foxes when stalking deer.
I can not find any case publicly listed where someone has been prosecuted solely for breach of firearms certificate quarry conditions.

I suspect you will find the same with "taking reasonable means to secure".

the chap above who had his insurance claim rebuked needs to pursue. the more the insurance companies get away with the denial of legitimate claims the more it becomes expected.

short of him leaving the keys in a place where they then had access I would struggle to see how his claim was denied solely because he failed to take the bolt out of his rifle.

 

[Knottaclu]

so very true.
short of him leaving the keys in a place where they then had access I would struggle to see how his claim was denied solely because he failed to take the bolt out of his rifle.

Agreed - does the insurance company believe that a thief (having broken into a securely locked cabinet) would look at the rifle and decide not to steal it because it had no bolt. Or is it that they believe that saving the bolt means that it would be less expensive for them because they can just replace the stolen rifle from a supply of boltless rifles (presumably stolen from other cabinets...