Any others cynical about a vaccine?
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What are we doing discussing topics like Covid vaccines on a deer stalking forum? Get a life guys! And as for you anti vaxxers! Put your tin foil masks on and stock up on ammo for the zombie apocalypse.
Mods, pleas shut this thread down - it's going nowhere.
You're either for the vaccine or against it - end of story.
Cheers
Bruce
You're either for the vaccine or against it - end of story.
Cheers
Bruce
mchughcb
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We had a few people. 200 infact get a vaccine during the trials. The trials are now abandoned because they all started testing positive to HIV. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Oh well, better choose carefully which one.
mchughcb
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Lol, and yet we discuss putting up a vid of the types of hunting conditions on your permission? Well then the crickets start.
Not sure where you get your news from but never let too many facts get in the way of a good story. The vaccine roll out continues down here on planet earth
As ever, a failure to research means you do not know the statement about halting the Australian vaccine rollout to be true. Like ours, that vaccine used a novel, not-used-before delivery mechanism....
Australian vaccine trials stopped due to HIV false positives – DW – 12/11/2020
The University of Queensland-CSL vaccine trial was terminated amid concerns that it could interfere with HIV diagnosis. The company will now produce more units of rival vaccine AstraZeneca instead.
www.dw.com
As ever, a failure to research means you do not know the statement about halting the Australian vaccine rollout to be true. Like ours, that vaccine used a novel, not-used-before delivery mechanism....
Australian vaccine trials stopped due to HIV false positives – DW – 12/11/2020
The University of Queensland-CSL vaccine trial was terminated amid concerns that it could interfere with HIV diagnosis. The company will now produce more units of rival vaccine AstraZeneca instead.
Your link describes that it was not a "vaccine roll out"...nowhere near....it was a first stage trial, and they abandoned it at that point...
Alan
Valid correction.
The thrust of mchughcb's point stands: I.e. the vaccine mechanisms being trialled for covid are novel. The mRNA offering from Pfizer is no exception. It will take time to assay efficacy and risk in the wider population.
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t was not a roll out of a vaccine it was part of a trial, trials come in three basic stages, initial, Mid trials and final trials. The majority of trials fail due to the rigour required, only after the completion off all elements is the data and conclusions passed across to the Regulator, the Regulator then investigates all the base data and conclusions, often they may require further field trials or more data. Only when the regulator is happy to sign it all off for specific use which they will document would it be made available for use in the population. As per my earlier post never let too many facts get in the way of a good story, it worked for The Sun for many yearsAs ever, a failure to research means you do not know the statement about halting the Australian vaccine rollout to be true. Like ours, that vaccine used a novel, not-used-before delivery mechanism....
Australian vaccine trials stopped due to HIV false positives – DW – 12/11/2020
The University of Queensland-CSL vaccine trial was terminated amid concerns that it could interfere with HIV diagnosis. The company will now produce more units of rival vaccine AstraZeneca instead.
with on important caveat..... none of the conditions you have mentioned are transmissible!
dartmoordog
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Mike, I have not made a comment on this subject, I know nothing about it. But this is the “Off Topic” section, so quite acceptable to have it discussed here.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. There are risks with any action in life.
I will be taking a vaccine and I will be recommending them to everyone I care about. If I had a choice, I would have a preference over which specific vaccine I would have, but in the absence of this I will take whatever is available. I expect it will be 6 months to a year before I am offered one.
I would be more cautious if I was pregnant (but I am male), though I would also be more worried about potential consequences of catching coronavirus if I was pregnant. If you are young and healthy your personal risk may be limited at present, this could change with mutations of the virus.
I base my opinion on a doctoral level education in a relevant subject and working (peripherally) in the vaccine business for over 15 years. I am not directly employed by any vaccine manufacturer.
Make your own choice if you feel the need to, just make sure it’s based on facts and that those facts are not taken out of proper context.
I will be taking a vaccine and I will be recommending them to everyone I care about. If I had a choice, I would have a preference over which specific vaccine I would have, but in the absence of this I will take whatever is available. I expect it will be 6 months to a year before I am offered one.
I would be more cautious if I was pregnant (but I am male), though I would also be more worried about potential consequences of catching coronavirus if I was pregnant. If you are young and healthy your personal risk may be limited at present, this could change with mutations of the virus.
I base my opinion on a doctoral level education in a relevant subject and working (peripherally) in the vaccine business for over 15 years. I am not directly employed by any vaccine manufacturer.
Make your own choice if you feel the need to, just make sure it’s based on facts and that those facts are not taken out of proper context.
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I think the conclusion to be drawn from the abandonment of trials of a vaccine...which successfully countered the coronavirus but had other issues...is one of reassurance. I do not see it as an indication of failure and increased risk as it is being presented.
The fact that even a successful measure against the virus did not pass the first stage test implies to me that the testing system is fairly robust and should be a source of confidence in those vaccines that do pass all stages of the clinical trials.
Alan
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FatTurkey could you please explain how you arrived at that preference?
Information from trial publications, some familiarity with the technologies from my own work, discussions with people who know better than me. It’s a bit subjective really as I am not an expert. Each approach has some relative pros and cons, none of which I consider critical compared to just getting a vaccine (at least for those we are likely to have access to in the U.K.).
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Amazing how a headline writer's agenda can make something seem the opposite of the actual circumstances reported.
I am also amazed that only 1.158% of the 272,001 who received the vaccine had an allergic reaction. I would have expected many more given the number of allergy sufferers around.
Let alone that only 6 individuals (0.0022%) had severe enough allergic reactions to be classified as anaphylactic....I would say that bodes really well for the Pfizer rollout.
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