Salvaging a stomach shot deer?

Kjm041

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Shot a roe doe yesterday morning. Bullet entered a bit high and a bit further back then I’d have liked but I fully believed it was an engine room shot. Within the rib cage area. Bullet did not exit and my belief is that it must have hit bone and fragments went through the intervals including the stomach. I was surprised as it was 6.5 creedmoor eldx and typically the exit is pretty devastating.

The deer ran about 40m and the reaction was not great but it fell and died. If it had been purely gut shot I would think a follow up shot would have been necessary.

it smelt strong from outside the deer with only one small entry wound. Opening it up was messy (stomach contents all over) and I took the decision to condemn the deer for fear of contamination.

would you have done the same or does anyone take an measures to salvage any of the meat? It does feel such a waste to leave it all behind but ill admit I was out of my comfort zone to do anything other than dispose of it.

thoughts?
 
The state of things after I had dragged it away after opening it up. Not pretty.

Admins please feel free to remove if you think this is a bit much. It’s just meant to illustrate the state it was in as part of the question posed above
 

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You can definitely salvage a lot. Rear haunches, back straps, front shoulders.
You can do what's known as the 'gutless method', (clearly not DSC compliant!) where you skin and butcher from the outside in.

Yes that was a thought. Take back straps out and remove legs. Someone posted a video of a Japanese hunter doing the same (after what can only be described as gunning down a sika). Perhaps had DSC1 guidance was a bit too firmly in mind.
 
Suspended gralloch and then I would have looked to salvage the backstraps that surely wouldn't have been contaminated and the haunches which again would most likely have been clean. Sure it couldn't go to the Game Stealer but it's a bit of a waste to chuck a whole deer for a bit of green.
 
As above, no saddle so back strap out, haunches should be good. Salvaged from diaphragm frontwards gets made into biltong.
 
Shot a roe doe yesterday morning. Bullet entered a bit high and a bit further back then I’d have liked but I fully believed it was an engine room shot. Within the rib cage area. Bullet did not exit and my belief is that it must have hit bone and fragments went through the intervals including the stomach. I was surprised as it was 6.5 creedmoor eldx and typically the exit is pretty devastating.

The deer ran about 40m and the reaction was not great but it fell and died. If it had been purely gut shot I would think a follow up shot would have been necessary.

it smelt strong from outside the deer with only one small entry wound. Opening it up was messy (stomach contents all over) and I took the decision to condemn the deer for fear of contamination.

would you have done the same or does anyone take an measures to salvage any of the meat? It does feel such a waste to leave it all behind but ill admit I was out of my comfort zone to do anything other than dispose of it.

thoughts?
I would never empty a gut shot deer! I remover the haunches, Sirloins[backstraps] and shoulders without gutting. these i place in air drying bags and hang in larder. its a waste to through the whole animal away.
 
I would never empty a gut shot deer! I remover the haunches, Sirloins[backstraps] and shoulders without gutting. these i place in air drying bags and hang in larder. its a waste to through the whole animal away.
Whilst I hear you, I find that the more you move it the more you swill the contamination about. I also don't like lardering deer in the field as I don't take the equipment with me and would be more likely to introduce further environmental contamination to the venison. What I do have with me is plenty of blue roll to remove what doesn't drop out of the carcass during the gralloch though. It's also much easier to carry the deer out once the mess has been removed.
However, each to their own. We all do things slightly differently.
 
I shot a poor looking hind with a eldx from my creedmoor. Somehow it entered behind the shoulder and bullet split in two parts majority carried straight on, the other came of the haunch obviously trashed the insides. Took it out gutless method left the rest on the hill apart from the feet which I took for the dogs. Apart from the rib meat, tenderloins and breast didn’t feel I lost much meat.
 
Whilst I hear you, I find that the more you move it the more you swill the contamination about. I also don't like lardering deer in the field as I don't take the equipment with me and would be more likely to introduce further environmental contamination to the venison. What I do have with me is plenty of blue roll to remove what doesn't drop out of the carcass during the gralloch though. It's also much easier to carry the deer out once the mess has been removed.
However, each to their own. We all do things slightly differently.
Agree. I didn’t have the kit to field butcher e.g anything to put meat into once butchered like those cloth bags the American hunters seem to use.

also I wasn’t 100% sure that it had been gut shot until I had opened it up and by then it was messy. It was a first time experience. Much more aware of the signs of it now of course!

however it has made me think about some things I could / should bring in the future to make the most of a bad situation.
 
It depends on whether you are eating it yourself or not. It certainly can't enter the food chain other than you could hose it down and eat it yourself if it is cooked at a suitably high temperature. Probably best not to hang the carcase though. E. coli | Food Standards Agency
Take care to cut away all bloodied & bruised tissue asap, no amount of cooking will make it edible and it will soon contaminate the surrounding areas.
 
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Salvaging safely what you can of the uncontaminated carcass always seems the appropriate option in these circumstances.
 
As it was a single hole plug it with a large Wad of blue roll or tissue. Susspend it by one rear leg remove all uncontaminated meat without opening the stomach cavity. Remove the free hanging haunch and finally remove the other haunch, the remainder of the carcass will drop to the floor at this point.

All the meat should be free from any contamination. I would then open the chest cavity and inspect all relevant nodes.
 
Salvage front shoulders, back legs if not soiled and back straps, use rest for fox bait, neck dog feed.
get what you can away from the green
 
Not too much kit needed for butchering. A knife is the only tool needed, bstandard mora does fine. A few freezer bags would be good for meat storage alright for backstraps. Could leave fur on shoulders and haunches and pack with red bit to red bit. Rucksack required or you could go Heath Robison and sling from shooting sticks over your shoulder!

So, alright, a few pieces of kit required!

I’ve butchered with just a Mora quite a few times but I’ll admit the rest is just musings.

What I have done is just scoop the gralloch out, clean out any green I can and then head for home and effectively just do what is described above; taking the four corners off along with backstraps and don’t bother hanging.

Have had a Sako game head .243 enter neck and travel at 90 degrees to the shoulder and another from a broadside shot head back through the cavity and exit breaking the rear leg. Quite incredible what a high velocity round can do. Both fairly close 60 and 30yds perhaps retained velocity a factor.

Sorry you missed out on the meat this time.
 
I suspect that we have all face this issue. Like the others, I would salvage meat for my own use. However, I would soak for, say, two minutes in a strong brine. This might help to kill any bacteria. Not too long, though as it might draw water out of the meat.
 
I suspect that we have all face this issue. Like the others, I would salvage meat for my own use. However, I would soak for, say, two minutes in a strong brine. This might help to kill any bacteria. Not too long, though as it might draw water out of the meat.

Any proof for that or just thoughts? Would be good to know for the next time I mess up as I hate wasting anything. I do see all the yanks just blast there meat into chillers filled with ice water all the meat looks pale as hell when it’s done.

Should say I pretty much always stalk with a roe sack and a few folded bin bags regardless of quarry just in case goes awry.
 
Shot a roe doe yesterday morning. Bullet entered a bit high and a bit further back then I’d have liked but I fully believed it was an engine room shot. Within the rib cage area. Bullet did not exit and my belief is that it must have hit bone and fragments went through the intervals including the stomach. I was surprised as it was 6.5 creedmoor eldx and typically the exit is pretty devastating.

The deer ran about 40m and the reaction was not great but it fell and died. If it had been purely gut shot I would think a follow up shot would have been necessary.

it smelt strong from outside the deer with only one small entry wound. Opening it up was messy (stomach contents all over) and I took the decision to condemn the deer for fear of contamination.

would you have done the same or does anyone take an measures to salvage any of the meat? It does feel such a waste to leave it all behind but ill admit I was out of my comfort zone to do anything other than dispose of it.

thoughts?

Not all 'contamination' is the same! The contamination you talk of, is it the grass/verbage it has just eaten some minutes or seconds ago, or is it smashed up faeces? By your description I am guessing the former, ie a rumen and blood soup, possibly with liver mash, judging by the blood colour in the pic.

Cast your mind back to when you shot it with your 6.5 CM ('high' velocity) round -I'm unaware of ELDX's USP or its great 'advantage' but judging by what you say about its 'typically devastating' exit characteristics I'm sure you/someone can advise me! There's slugs for killing purposes, and there's also others for designed for eating the slain quarry.

Did you get the beast immediately more or less, and/or had it expired via a bang to the liver? If the beast died more than fifteen seconds or so after the shot, the contamination aspect becomes more apparent. You say about 40m, dying a bit like 'Gladiator' I imagine, him having been stabbed in the liver. Was the liver intact, shredded or halved?

For sure not fit for entering in the 'for sale' fridge, but as for the rest? Depending on where the bullet entered, you say it did not exit (it must therefore still be 'in there', or in the rumen, it cannot disappear totally) then there is only one point (the bullet entry point) within the carcass where the green can seep back in between inner ribcage and outer; you say highish and back in the ribcage - only bone there is the rib bones themselves, so possibly having broken one on its way in, but not presumably damaging the spine, given it ran 40m - the loins should have been more or less fine and untainted (unless ribs were broken where loins meet ribcage, see tip/explanation below), as well as everything else which hasn't been more than plastered in the red-green soup. Almost the whole of the carcass, haunches, gullet, tenderloins, even the ribcage meat has a very fine parchment covering, which keeps the worst excesses of the 'soup' off the meat. I'm not sure that dragging carcasses post gralloching is a great idea, especially for eating - I took one in the other day which the stalker had cleverly dragged along a dirt track, by the haunches - I took more than a tablespoonful of gravel rash stones from under the dragpoint ( not the bullet hole), as I 'gently reminded' (Gaelic translation available, lol) the 'provider' that, as venison dealer/butcher, my intended final use for the animal was (insert more Gaelic as required here,) human consumption - his response was that he'd still not got himself a roesack - yet/still!

Ask yourself: did you drag it head first, front legs first or back legs first ( the latter at least allows gravity to help keep the snot off the haunches, but is a distant runner behind getting it lifted straight into the tray in the truck or into a roe sack once completely emptied of all organs from anus to tongue tip.

Clean and gently spray wash out the soup, sorry but in this scenario the preferable gentle wipe-down with clean kitchen paper or equivalent results in rather more of a 'wipe-in', and not improving an already 'problematic' situation; cut away asap any obviously green-damaged actual meat, but see how it looks and SMELLS after you've done this and it has set and is cold.

A tip - cast your mind back to the shot - was its head up, or was it head down and feeding???
The latter scenario induces far more of the type of damage as you describe, and is unnecessary, given they aren't running away when they are busy feeding; if relatively close by, just bide your time, and wait until it does put its head up; if further away, you can tap yer stick to get it to lift its head once square on, waiting until the head and neck are up helps put the rumen back into the belly cavity, as opposed to it pushing against the diaphragm, which leads to the spilling of the soup as you describe. If however it was standing with head up, then I think your bullet was going a bit too fast for the best ensuing culinary experience... I've no real info about 6,5CM, but generally speaking, the faster the bullet the less inclined I am personally and professionally to be interested in the carcass for eating, but that's just my personal take on matters, and no offence meant, if culling deer is your no.1 priority then all is fine, my own particular priority is producing presentable carcases and top quality venison, and as such the speed of the bullet is important, inasmuch as it should not be too high. You can always load a tad less hot, or shorten the barrel if it concerns you!

Finally, don't beat yourself up too much, but do try to learn from this unfortunate event, and consider the various action:reaction aspects. Your next one will surely be better.
 
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