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[al4x1]

Wow! It seems to be a worrying but recurring theme that BASC have been useless when the s#*t hits the fan , even when ultimately it has been shown that there was no case to answer. Has anyone ever used the legal cover provided by BASC insurance to defend themselves? Is the cover even sufficient to do so? I have no idea of the kind of costs involved...

there is no legal cover included with their insurance. The problem they have is they don't have any clout with the police and can only advise you on the best course of action to take. Obviously they are pretty reluctant to dig into their pockets to support members with legal help and that annoys a lot of people. What the answer is I don't know but would be nice to see people have a little backup in these situations

 

[Orion]

there is no legal cover included with their insurance. The problem they have is they don't have any clout with the police and can only advise you on the best course of action to take. Obviously they are pretty reluctant to dig into their pockets to support members with legal help and that annoys a lot of people. What the answer is I don't know but would be nice to see people have a little backup in these situations

Well, if that is the case then joining another organisation that does have legal cover and are more willing to get directly involved in firearms licensing issues on behalf of their membership might help?

My SACS membership does include, (in addition to a very inclusive worldwide PL insurance for all fieldsports), legal expenses insurance of £100,000.

The director Ian also offers more than just warm words for those with firearms licensing problems

http://sacsni.org/insurance.htm

I wonder if the mention of insurance will draw the attention of the BASC bods who visit this forum - they never seem to get involved in any discussion about firearms licensing, 'mentoring', DSC1, or other conditions related matters and BASC's stance on them do they?

 

[User00023]

kevhumps, joebloggs

Sorry to hear about your disappointments with the way BASC seemed to have responded to your dilemmas. I too have recently been in need of legal advice and guidance on issues relating directly to firearms, but because my case wasn't one of firearms law they declined to offer any assistance whatsoever.

That is why I resolved to stand for Council. Unless members take the executive to task we have no one else to blame but ourselves. It is OUR association and it is OUR responsibility to ensure the executive represents OUR interests.

As a wise man from Chester once said, "The change must come from within". (So he persuaded me to stand...)

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

kevhumps, joebloggs

Sorry to hear about your disappointments with the way BASC seemed to have responded to your dilemmas. I too have recently been in need of legal advice and guidance on issues relating directly to firearms, but because my case wasn't one of firearms law they declined to offer any assistance whatsoever.

That is why I resolved to stand for Council. Unless members take the executive to task we have no one else to blame but ourselves. It is OUR association and it is OUR responsibility to ensure the executive represents OUR interests.

As a wise man from Chester once said, "The change must come from within". (So he persuaded me to stand...)

good luck!
Cannot imagine that basc will change the entire mind-set is wrong.

 

[finnbear270]

Trouble is, imagining change is just that!, members need to get off their butts & make some effort to instigate changes, while the boat is serenely gliding along, (for them) nothing will change, notice how I used the analogy of a boat rather than that usually trotted out................ something to do with gravy I seem to remember!

 

[Orion]

Trouble is, imagining change is just that!, members need to get off their butts & make some effort to instigate changes, while the boat is serenely gliding along, (for them) nothing will change, notice how I used the analogy of a boat rather than that usually trotted out................ something to do with gravy I seem to remember!

You did realise it's also called a gravy boat didn't you Steve?

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[finnbear270]

Oh ok!, the gravy train!

 

[shootingduckdog]

I stand corrected on the "right" and priveledge. My real point was not legal but that whilst we have to show good reason, the validity of the reason is weighed up by the Police and they are entirely the arbiters of "good character". Unlike such as the USA we cannot simply buy weapons (of almost any sort) and wait to see if we are going to be allowed to keep them. We have the whole pony show to go through before we even get started. As such level headed,( possibly even pro police!!!) attitude can only help. It has always been my philosophy that wether you like the system or not it is almost always more productive to "play" the system than "buck" it.
As others have said though (BASC related mostly) you should then try and be proactive to get things changed if you dont like them

 

[finnbear270]

I'd like a look at this system that's being played by us lot, only system I've seen is one that changes massively with the direction of the breeze, the amount of knowledge of the staff, & also the position of your county line on the map.

 

[Bandit Country]

That is why I resolved to stand for Council. Unless members take the executive to task we have no one else to blame but ourselves. It is OUR association and it is OUR responsibility to ensure the executive represents OUR interests.

And I'd vote for you as well .......unfortunately I'm no longer a member. Interestingly I still get the magazine and I can only assume it helps keep their circulation numbers up. I recall a set of voting papers were included with the last issue(?) but I suspect my vote might be rejected....

FWIW I'm with SACS as well - they do have a track record of going in to bat for their members.

 

[Si]

I had a similar situation with my ex. She alledged harrasment, i was arrested at work held for 10 hrs, my daughter was taken to a police station for her "own safety"! My rifles, shotguns ammo, spent cases and shells were siezed . The bomb squad opened my garrage cause it was allarmed with a 12g blank "allarm mine"(which are perfectly legal). At no time were any threats of violence, made or alledged. Shropshire police said they were following procedure! Aweek later the ivestagating PC offered me a caution.which i declined, as I'd have to admit to something i hadn't done.to accept it! 6 month later I was told that "i I'd got away with it". to which i repleid that I'd done nothing to get away with! All charges were dropped and my firearms returned. The BASC were about as mch use as tits on a chicken , throughout all of this! Good luck! THE TRUTH WILL OUT!!!

If you'd told BASC that your ex wife had banned you from using lead shot they'd have put their best lawyers on it

 

[Paul at Fechan]

so where's this all at then at them moment, surely all non certificate items should have been returned yes?

 

[unlacedgecko]

This is all very worrying. Im currently a BASC member, and have had dealings with the police. Fortunately they didn't come to anything, but BASC were not massively helpful. Apparently they have no 'legal team' as such. I am encouraged by what I hear of SACS. Can you join SACS if you live in England?

 

[Chris Rob]

Can you join SACS if you live in England?

You most certainly can, I'm a member via the CentrefireUK forum which has its own SACS members club but you can join individually via this link. Scottish Association for Country Sports

Cheers

Chris

 

[old man]

I'm in SACS too via CFUK.
om

 

[Brithunter]

so where's this all at then at them moment, surely all non certificate items should have been returned yes?

The Police in Lincolnshire do not deem they have acted outside the law so they have returned only my briefcase with a few papers in it including my Birth certificate and medical card. How ever I just discovered that my last passport even though it expired a few years ago is missing. The solicitor is going to be sorting out directions and we shall see what happens from there. The solicitors who attended the Police station have been pretty useless.

As a firearms certificate holder it appears we have no basic rights. There is no legal aid available, of course if one was a terrorist, murderer, drug dealer, mafioso then one would naturally get legal aid and especially if one was an MP caught fiddling expenses.. But a Firearms certificate holder gets nowt.

 

[gitano]

CFUK -

Paul

 

[dogtired]

As a firearms certificate holder it appears we have no basic rights. There is no legal aid available, of course if one was a terrorist, murderer, drug dealer, mafioso then one would naturally get legal aid and especially if one was an MP caught fiddling expenses.. But a Firearms certificate holder gets nowt.

My wife works for LSC, and has done for more years than I care to remeember.

If you have a civil case, and you are on low earnings/benefits you can claim Legal Aid.
If you have a criminal case, you can claim Legal Aid if you are on low income/benefits, dependant on the circumstances of the case.

In NO circumstance, does whether you hold a Firearms Certificate, Shotgun Certificate or, for that matter, any other kind of license, infuence whether you qualify for Legal Aid or not!

If you need any other information, let me know and I will try to get it for you

Rhami

 

[Brithunter]

My wife works for LSC, and has done for more years than I care to remeember.

If you have a civil case, and you are on low earnings/benefits you can claim Legal Aid.
If you have a criminal case, you can claim Legal Aid if you are on low income/benefits, dependant on the circumstances of the case.

In NO circumstance, does whether you hold a Firearms Certificate, Shotgun Certificate or, for that matter, any other kind of license, infuence whether you qualify for Legal Aid or not!

If you need any other information, let me know and I will try to get it for you

Rhami

Thank you for that however that's not what they are telling me. We have engaged a solicitor with firearms law experience and he and Adrian Dagger of Crawley Sussex when i spoke to him told me that you will not get legal aid for a revocation appeal. Also should you win you will not be awarded costs unless in exceptional circumstances, however if the police win they ALWAYS ARE AWARDED THEIR COSTS. A very open and fair legal system we have. I am awaiting the next stage in writing as directions were today. All gobledy gook to me.

Meanwhile since the return of my medical card and birth certificate I have had no contact with the police at all. despite the fact that the inspector was "supposed" to be looking into why no controlled items were taken and She was not worried at all that no receipt was given as Lincolnshire police NEVER give receipts for seized goods.

 

[JabaliHunter]

What do you mean by "no controlled items were taken"?
Adrian is a nice guy - I'm sure he gave you some good advice...
Fingers crossed, eh...