Which 17hmr?

[MarkD123]

I have Anchutz 1761’s in both 22lr and 17hmr.
That’s actually the hmr in my profile pic.
Both bl**dy brilliant and I use them in the field.
If my budget had been constrained I’d have gone for the tikka t1x though as that’s also an excellent platform for a ‘working’ gun.

 

[villaman]

Cz 457 far better than the older models
Tikka also great but have a problem with the mag

 

[MarkD123]

I’m loving this thread as a noob. I presume the recommends apply similarly to .22lr?

CZ, Tikka, Anschutz - can’t go wrong really, just budget dependant; and finding the right ammo for your barrel.

 

[villaman]

I have a Tikka T1x and it’s fantastic. I had a problem with feeding but found it was a weak spring in the magazine. £25 for a replacement sorted that.

Where did you buy your spring ?

 

[Little Willy]

I have Anchutz 1761’s in both 22lr and 17hmr.
That’s actually the hmr in my profile pic.

Is the cheek attachment included with the gun?

 

[MarkD123]

No unfortunately not.
I picked that up off a chap on Facebook (mould it to the required shape using heat, and attached with strong Velcro). Works a treat.

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Source Ammo before you buy…..
National shortage likely to be into next year

 

[Bowland blades]

I had the bolt on my 527 hornet straightened to help with better scope clearance

My 527 is an American, no issues at all with the bolt lift n scope

 

[Tazz]

None. Get a .17 hornet. I’ve had a few .17 HMR’s. Same bang, much more capable and consistent. You can also reload for it. Just embarking on this journey now. Bullets start at £0.055! Powder about £0.06 and primers £0.07 per reload!

How much louder is the 17 Hornet compared to 17 HMR. I ask as I have 17 HMR and when using with NV shooting rabbits out beyond 50-70 yards you can shoot 2-3 often without them spooking

 

[GWP]

A shout for a Sako Quad. Mine is very accurate if I do my bit and allow for any wind (as with all 17HMRs)- I particularly like the double lock up for the bolt but please ignore the "theoretical" take down facility - you have to remove the scope to change barrels/calibres.

I can change barrels without removing scope try a different scope/mounts

 

[Red Dragon 2]

With the CZ455 found that the synthetic stock a bit too light and hollow sounding, so replaced with thumbhole laminate much better now.

 

[Bowland blades]

How much louder is the 17 Hornet compared to 17 HMR. I ask as I have 17 HMR and when using with NV shooting rabbits out beyond 50-70 yards you can shoot 2-3 often without them spooking

Both are supersonic , hence equal when each has tge correct moderator on it ! The hornet will have a greater amount of gas to cool so for safety and efficiency it will carry a larger cf moderator
To put it into real terms at 8ft into a bale both are silent when moderated , it takes more than 8 yards for tge sonic boom to build .
I have a rangevfiring point about 30 yards from the kitchen external door . Shooting 22 hornet moderated with its cf spec moderator my Mr says she can't hear it in the house , tge hmr could be previously.
If you are thinking of either hornet I cf over a rimfire I should 100% recommend you go for it . Personally I much prefer tge 22 version and with the inevitable changes to ammo I think its tge wise man's choice . Reason being 17 is going to be an extremely light bullet in copper etc . Also the 22 version is very compatible with home cast lead to 1700 fps 2800 is the top end with jacked lead , when copper comes I suspect we will be looking at 25 grain copper? That's going to be moving at a very similar speed to the 17 hornet with lead but better terminals.
My 22 hornet zero at 140 yards is point and shoot to 160 yards and 2 moa low at 200 yards 5.6 moa fv 10 mph windage its good for 0.25 - 0,5 moa at 200 yards

 

[Martin-1234]

Got a cz 1.7hmr cheap very accurate rifle always feel the bolt & mechanism is a little clunky compared to other brand rifles I’ve got but never let me down.Im Sure a more expensive brand will be smoother but still do same job.

 

[Puds]

I’ve got a T1x in .17hmr & it’s been flawless. I’ve put close to 1,000 shots through it (Hornady 17gr BTs) since I got it new a year ago, and it’s not missed a beat & is pinpoint accurate.

 

[Tazz]

Both are supersonic , hence equal when each has tge correct moderator on it ! The hornet will have a greater amount of gas to cool so for safety and efficiency it will carry a larger cf moderator
To put it into real terms at 8ft into a bale both are silent when moderated , it takes more than 8 yards for tge sonic boom to build .
I have a rangevfiring point about 30 yards from the kitchen external door . Shooting 22 hornet moderated with its cf spec moderator my Mr says she can't hear it in the house , tge hmr could be previously.
If you are thinking of either hornet I cf over a rimfire I should 100% recommend you go for it . Personally I much prefer tge 22 version and with the inevitable changes to ammo I think its tge wise man's choice . Reason being 17 is going to be an extremely light bullet in copper etc . Also the 22 version is very compatible with home cast lead to 1700 fps 2800 is the top end with jacked lead , when copper comes I suspect we will be looking at 25 grain copper? That's going to be moving at a very similar speed to the 17 hornet with lead but better terminals.
My 22 hornet zero at 140 yards is point and shoot to 160 yards and 2 moa low at 200 yards 5.6 moa fv 10 mph windage its good for 0.25 - 0,5 moa at 200 yards

Thanks for the reply and detail back. I would be interested in a direct comparison from somebody who has shot moderated versions of 17 HMR compared to the 17 Hornet ad my concern with the hornet for rabbits with NV is the noise level spooking the other rabbits

 

[Bowland blades]

Thanks for the reply and detail back. I would be interested in a direct comparison from somebody who has shot moderated versions of 17 HMR compared to the 17 Hornet ad my concern with the hornet for rabbits with NV is the noise level spooking the other rabbits

All noise after effective moderation ( proved at 8 ft ) is irrelevant to cartridge or calibre till it hits subsonic speeds

 

[Tazz]

All noise after effective moderation ( proved at 8 ft ) is irrelevant to cartridge or calibre till it hits subsonic speeds

Thanks for that. However I am still after some feedback from someone who has shot both a 17 HMR and a 17 Hornet to give a view on the difference in noise levels and game/vermin reaction out to 100 yds

 

[Bowland blades]

Thanks for that. However I am still after some feedback from someone who has shot both a 17 HMR and a 17 Hornet to give a view on the difference in noise levels and game/vermin reaction out to 100 yds

It's just science after that it's a wild guess / personal prejudice. The noise relates more to that which it reflects off not the width of the bullet . Shoot parallel to a dry stone wall and both will make quite a racket as the boom reflects time and again , shoot it off a high cliff with little surrounding it I doubt you will hear anything
We can effectively take the gas noise to nothing in both

 

[Tazz]

It's just science after that it's a wild guess / personal prejudice. The noise relates more to that which it reflects off not the width of the bullet . Shoot parallel to a dry stone wall and both will make quite a racket as the boom reflects time and again , shoot it off a high cliff with little surrounding it I doubt you will hear anything
We can effectively take the gas noise to nothing in both

Apologies if I am making a poor job of what I am after which is someone who has shot a moderated 17 HMR and a 17 Hornet and how much louder does the Hornet sound. While I follow your comments I would just add that when I take my moderated 223 my 243 and my 270 to check the zero in a single session I can tell you roughly which one is louder when you fire them. As an addition I also get my partner to shoot at the 100 yard target while I stand 80 yards out and 30-40 yards to the side to check what they sound like downrange. She is a decent shot but I would add don’t try this if the pair of you are going through a difficult time together!!!

 

[Bowland blades]

Apologies if I am making a poor job of what I am after which is someone who has shot a moderated 17 HMR and a 17 Hornet and how much louder does the Hornet sound. While I follow your comments I would just add that when I take my moderated 223 my 243 and my 270 to check the zero in a single session I can tell you roughly which one is louder when you fire them. As an addition I also get my partner to shoot at the 100 yard target while I stand 80 yards out and 30-40 yards to the side to check what they sound like downrange. She is a decent shot but I would add don’t try this if the pair of you are going through a difficult time together!!!

Because you have more gas in each of those to cool 223 then 243 then 270 . In a hornet you can't fit more than 13 grains at max but you would be on a moderator designed around twice that powder fill ! On the 17 hmr you would have a lower powders fill but it would only amount to load difference in fill the say the 243 win , but a cf moderator isn't considered safe with rf due to u burnt powder build up so tge moderator is smaller
The end result is tge same , all gas noise gone so its irrelevant. The noise is really all sonic boom you cannot remove
My Mrs says the 22 hornet is quieter than the hmr was off the driveway but thats probably just the lager capacity moderator and the 17 ran on a 22 hole can . It's unfair to think both moderators are as effective the bullet diameter I immaterial.
Best of luck but folks will sooner ot later tell you what you want to hear despite the science bit