Ivermectin, for the interested
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If I could have got IVM, without having to use a vet supplier, I would have. From everything I've read, it works to reduce initial impact and is even listed by the NIH as an effective treatment (funny how they never mention that). However, the info out of Israel (the most thoroughly vaccinated nation on Earth and, coincidentally, also the place where covid is running rampant) is that simple aspirin can help alleviate suffering. It's safe (just like IVM) in low doses and, apparently, you don't need a high dose for it to work it's magic.
You simply cannot get IVM in the UK so for most people the arguments for and against, however valid or otherwise, are moot.
J@son
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I think the study you are referring to was actually conducted back in March by researchers at George Washington University.
Aspirin Use May Decrease Ventilation, ICU Admission and Death in COVID-19 Patients
I don't think it has anything to do with CV19 tranmission rates in Israel - the story just happens to have been picked up now by The Jerusalem Post.
Aspirin Use May Decrease Ventilation, ICU Admission and Death in COVID-19 Patients
I don't think it has anything to do with CV19 tranmission rates in Israel - the story just happens to have been picked up now by The Jerusalem Post.
Freeforester
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Ivermectin Use in the Dominican Republic
In June of 2020, TrialSite spoke to Dr. José Natalio Redondo about his successful ivermectin protocol in treating over 1,300 early-stage COVID-19 patients on the beautiful island of the Dominican Republic. Now, “After eight months of active clinical observation and attending about seven thousand...
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J@son
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Zambezi: the study you are referring to is a different study conducted over 18 months ago. The link in the original post about the more recent study conducted in the States makes this clear. However, I fail to see what either of these pieces of research has to with the current increase in reported cases in Israel.
Freeforester: the article you have posted is published by a site that appears to have a clear anti-vax agenda. Have you actually seen any details work conducted and the results demonstrated? I have had a look (not very thorough) and while I could find details of some research conducted in the Dom Rep. the results (from over a year ago) still remain unpublished.
I think this thread should be re-titled: Ivermectin, for the already converted.
It is turning into an echo-chamber. Maybe this doesn’t give you a problem. But I think if you are serious about convincing people who don’t already share your views (on the benefits of Ivermectin / problems with the vaccine programme) you need to source much better data reported by media outlets that other people trust.
Freeforester: the article you have posted is published by a site that appears to have a clear anti-vax agenda. Have you actually seen any details work conducted and the results demonstrated? I have had a look (not very thorough) and while I could find details of some research conducted in the Dom Rep. the results (from over a year ago) still remain unpublished.
I think this thread should be re-titled: Ivermectin, for the already converted.
It is turning into an echo-chamber. Maybe this doesn’t give you a problem. But I think if you are serious about convincing people who don’t already share your views (on the benefits of Ivermectin / problems with the vaccine programme) you need to source much better data reported by media outlets that other people trust.
The Jerusalem Post reference in #563 quoted both George Washington and Barzilai University studies. Mick cited the latter [Israel data], thus your rebuttal was incorrect.
But we should delight that two universities half a world apart came to the same positive conclusion re aspirin's positive impact on covid.
Or do we need to wait for the BBC to carry that story before we believe it?
J@son
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Does this count? From the BBC back in April.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56764182
Should I take some aspirin before and after the vaccination?
Jo Jerrome, chief executive of Thrombosis UK: "Expert haematologists advise against taking aspirin after AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine because it will not affect the occurrence of the very rare vaccine-associated thrombosis and thrombocytopenia (VATT), which is driven by an immune response to something in the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine."Furthermore, one of the problems with VATT is a low platelet count which means there is increased risk of bleeding. Aspirin will make this worse.
"Outside of VATT in healthy people, aspirin's bleeding problems outweigh any benefits in reducing clots. Aspirin does have enormous benefit in reducing risk of further arterial clots however, in those who have had clots."
Public Health Wales: "Public Health Wales does not support taking aspirin before and after the vaccination, any concerns should be discussed with your GP ahead of your vaccination."
That looks to be wholly unrelated.
Your post seems to be advice to folk taking the vaccine. If anyone were considering having the vaccine, then caution regarding the concurrent consumption of aspirin may well have relevance.
The two university papers quoted above dealt with aspirin as prophylaxis and treatment of a covid infection as a totally vaccination-independent study.
The 10 477 persons included in the Israeli study were selected from the LHS database considering folk who had tested covid positive between Feb and July 2020. I.e. prior to any vaccination rollout...
Freeforester
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Read between the lines in the last few minutes of this presentation (global availability, safety, both now questioned by those who would rather not know about its efficacy in other areas 
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That isn't what the link says, as far as I can tell.
J@son
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who might be behind the ‘famous’ five’s little wheeze - Cui buono?
Who benefits? Always a good question.
Ivermectin Doesn’t Help Covid, But Generic Drug Makers Are Cashing In
...although I fear that this will be dismissed by those driving this thread on the basis that it is reported by another mainstream outlet.
Correct. The exact wording that heads the NIH C19 drugs page is as below. What that official status should help to do is persuade the neigh-sayers to reconsider their rhetoric.
Very interesting article there Jason thanks for posting it up.
I didn't realise that Merck & Co. who still sell the drug had warned as recently as February that there was no meaningful evidence that Invermectin is effective against Covid. Says a lot really.
Nice to know that the small family run business in India that also makes it has sharpened it's sales pitch and is working flat out 24/7 to keep up with demand.
What could possibly go wrong?
J@son
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This statement really clarifies Zambezi’s position. Zambezi is advocating taking a drug for a purpose that it has not been evaluated for. By virtue of being “Under Evaluation” Ivermectin’s official status is “Not Approved” for use in relation to the treatment of CV19 - a point on which the British Medical Journal, Federal Drugs Administration, European Medical Agency and World Health Organisation all speak clearly and with one voice.
This is not evidence that should persuade anyone of anything. This is not evidence.
Wrong again.
I am advocating rigorous mass trials of Ivermectin in sufficient cohort to validate the meta data of a myriad RCTs.
My personal conviction is that the data so far persuades me re the choices I will make in future. Clear enough?
So you zambezi want thousands of people to be used in an experiment, to test a drug, that the biggest producer ever of said, and all the leading organisations entrusted with protecting us from harmful drugs already say, is not suitable for that purpose.
And all this because you are a newly self crowned google expert on Covid, clear as day zambezi, clear as day.
J@son
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Zambezi: I think that is pretty clear but just to check... your personal conviction has led you to being double vaccinated? And that you haven’t, based again on your personal conviction, actually taken Ivermecin? Or am I wrong on these points as well?
I only ask because it sounds very much like your personal convictions have led you to follow the advice of the BMJ, FDA, WHO and EMA as reported by the mainstream media.
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