The future is electric

Just because I'm a supporter of electric vehicles doesn't mean to say that the current crop of evs meets my financial or social needs.
If there was an ev I could afford and did what I needed then I would buy one.
Until then I'll just have to soldier on with my Landcruiser :lol:

Cheers

Bruce
 
Hansjörg von Gemmir has done 1,000,000km in his Tesla Model S.

Don't know whether it's a "triggers broom" though!

There is another Model S that's been an Uber car; it's on 424,000miles but has needed a new battery under warranty at 250,000, amongst other repairs.

There are quite a few high-milers around.
 
1. ICE cars have loads of electronics in them and they, in general don't suffer from problems with heat, cold, condensation etc I Had a 2003 VW Phaeton 3.2 litre for 4 years, biggest load of rubbish ever, the electronics were always going on the blink and no VW service centre could get to the bottom of it. Gave up lost 2/3rds when I sold it. Will never touch a VW group product again.
VW, and some other companies such as PSA went through a bad patch when lead free solder became mandatory. Their electronic black box suppliers (they don't make them themselves, VW use a lot of Bosch stuff, and Bosch software engineers programmed them for them, hand in glove with VW, hence Dieselgate, hidden emissions defeat trickery etc. They hadn't done their homework on how to change their soldering methods, PCB construction etc. to work properly with the ROHS requirements. Valeo didn't seem to have either. Others had. Don't tar them all with the same brush, based on one bad experience from many years ago.

That is now long in the past.

The connectors used in automotive applications are seriously engineered things, up to or even better than the toughest military standards. Probably the most danger to them is from ham fisted mechanics not disconnecting and re-seating them properly, some require special tools, but simple, to do so. Not just trying to force back tabs with whatever screwdriver comes to hand, and not bothering to grease the seals, if that is a requirement. Or the wiring loom being chafed. But main wiring looms are so much simpler, lighter, less expensive and more reliable nowadays, now that most parts of the vehicle are controlled by serial busses.

Yes, diagnosis of weird faults can be a nightmare, even for some main dealers, not all have access to the full diagnostic equipment, nor are particularly clued up on how to make sense of what it can tell them.

Most commonly the fault are with sensors and mechanical actuators, not the powertrain and body electronics. Or bodged installations of added stuff, such as towbar electrics, sound systems, and so on.

None main dealers don't have the full kit anyway. Yes they can use third party OBD code readers, some better than others, to tell them which sensors might be faulty, then resort to parts swapping, and maybe even do some tinkering. Used to be be that the most use was to try to turn off the fault light long enough to scrape through the MoT. Or for "tuners" using reverse engineering to remap the powertrain ECU to whatever purpose.

FWIW I think that Tesla (yes I know, I am sounding like a stuck record) are vertically integrated regarding their electronics design, if it's not mostly done in house then they are certainly using specialist companies who are working well together with them.

Fundamentally the fewer moving parts, the better, as regards reliability and longevity. Electronics hardware, properly designed, can be extremely reliable. I know of what I speak, having been Chief Hardware Engineer, responsible for all electronics design (by my team), in a motorsport and roadcar manufacturer, where it was all done in house, and also supplied to many other big name companies who didn't have their own in-house expertise.
 
But it still sounds like the service chain is not good enough to me. I only did the body / trim engineering which has not changed by a great deal since the late 70s.
Were you a Woking man by chance, I was down the road working for Panther in 1987 on Solo II?
 
Hansjörg von Gemmir has done 1,000,000km in his Tesla Model S.
At the rate of about 200,000km (over 100,000 miles per year) and that car needed a new battery and three replacement motors in that time. Very short time and very easy conditions. That's not realistic use.
Don't know whether it's a "triggers broom" though!

There is another Model S that's been an Uber car; it's on 424,000miles but has needed a new battery under warranty at 250,000, amongst other repairs.

There are quite a few high-milers around.
In the same way, ICE cars made in the 60s were able to do well over a million miles. Doesn't really alter the fact that most were scrap by 100,000 miles.
 
But it still sounds like the service chain is not good enough to me. I only did the body / trim engineering which has not changed by a great deal since the late 70s.
Were you a Woking man by chance, I was down the road working for Panther in 1987 on Solo II?
I'll send you a PM
 
Sounds like you will have to limit your trips so as to get home every night if you want your battery to last.
The rental properties that I had in the Midlands meant a round trip of 450-500 miles.
 
No government can take my 4.7L Landcruiser of me. I’d be happy to pay whatever tax they slap on that thing.. I know 1 thing I’ll be still driving that thing for next 20 years, I just simply refuse to drive these silly electric toys!
 
No government can take my 4.7L Landcruiser of me. I’d be happy to pay whatever tax they slap on that thing.. I know 1 thing I’ll be still driving that thing for next 20 years, I just simply refuse to drive these silly electric toys!
I think you need to educate yourself about:

1. The governments plans for vehicles and trying to get to nett zero - this might be a good starting point Government takes historic step towards net-zero with end of sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030

2. The capabilities of electric vehicles now and what they will be in the near future - this might help with that part of the job Ford F-150 Lightning: 563bhp electric pick-up truck revealed | Autocar
The government is not taking anyones car away from them and in the case of your Landcruiser it will either last until you die, or you decide to get an electric equivalent.

BTW I'm on my second Landcruiser and have no plans to change until a suitable electric equivalent comes along

Cheers

Bruce
 
I have just discovered that my old British trim/interior design boss at Tesla has jumped ship and is now at down the road at Lucid Motors.
 
I am involved electric vehicles. There are huge challenges.

Firstly - the energy, CO2 and rare earth metals that are used in making pure electric vehicles. Volvo reckons an EV takes 70% more CO2 to make an electric than its IC equivalent. Building An EV Produces 70% More Emissions Than ICE, Says Volvo

Lithium batteries have a cycle life of 20 to 30,000 charge / discharge, and providing or large amounts of power really drops this down. There are real challenges of what to do with end of life Lithium Batteries - lithium is not a friendly material.

And EV’s with Lithium Batteries have high voltages associated with them so you need specially trained technicians, firecrews etc to manage them both at servicing and in accidents.

And switching to EV’s before the natural end of life of existing vehicles further adds to the CO2 / environmental cost.

With HGVs, batteries are the biggest challenge. Best in class technology - you have a 10 tonne truck, with sn empty weight of 8tonnes and a range of about 100 miles.

I am an investor and advisor to: We now first commercial versions on the road fitted to five year old trucks. The system gives a 500Nm boost of torque that accelarates an 18 tonne truck up to cruise speed. System weighs under 400kg, and we are working with 18tonne rigids, 44 tonne artics and Australian road trains.

 
I am involved electric vehicles. There are huge challenges.

Firstly - the energy, CO2 and rare earth metals that are used in making pure electric vehicles. Volvo reckons an EV takes 70% more CO2 to make an electric than its IC equivalent. Building An EV Produces 70% More Emissions Than ICE, Says Volvo

Lithium batteries have a cycle life of 20 to 30,000 charge / discharge, and providing or large amounts of power really drops this down. There are real challenges of what to do with end of life Lithium Batteries - lithium is not a friendly material.

And EV’s with Lithium Batteries have high voltages associated with them so you need specially trained technicians, firecrews etc to manage them both at servicing and in accidents.

And switching to EV’s before the natural end of life of existing vehicles further adds to the CO2 / environmental cost.

With HGVs, batteries are the biggest challenge. Best in class technology - you have a 10 tonne truck, with sn empty weight of 8tonnes and a range of about 100 miles.

I am an investor and advisor to: We now first commercial versions on the road fitted to five year old trucks. The system gives a 500Nm boost of torque that accelarates an 18 tonne truck up to cruise speed. System weighs under 400kg, and we are working with 18tonne rigids, 44 tonne artics and Australian road trains.


How are you involved in electric vehicles?
 
I assume you’ve never driven an electric vehicle then.

Toys they are not.
Mrs Bought brand new plug in hybrid BMW few months ago… from 8 hour charge was getting 25 miles.. what a waste of 36k that was.. got rid of that junk and she’s got now XC90, I’ve been a proud owner of LC and been driving for over 20 years now and I don’t think any car on this planet can change my mind to get something else. never mind these fancy electric tosters lol.. I love to work on my own car.. which is very rare it needs it! If anything goes wrong on these electric cars it will cost you a freaking fortune to fix it.. in my opinion electric cars are ticking time bombs you will never where it will let you down!
 
I am also a proud LC owner and, at the moment, there is not an electric vehicle on the market which can replace it
However, within the next few years, there will be, and the Landcruiser in its present ICE form will cease to exist
Electric cars are far more reliable than ICE vehicles
No engine, engine oil or filter
No gearbox or clutch
No exhaust
Much less brake wear so pad/disc replacement is much less frequent
They still have HVAC, suspension and steering like an ICE vehicle
They will still need body and pain repairs when they are involved in minor bumps
Just because you have no clue about how they work doesn't make them "freakin time bombs"
BTW - you're right about BMW plug in hybrids - a total waste of time and money

Cheers

Bruce
 
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I am involved electric vehicles. There are huge challenges.

Firstly - the energy, CO2 and rare earth metals that are used in making pure electric vehicles. Volvo reckons an EV takes 70% more CO2 to make an electric than its IC equivalent. Building An EV Produces 70% More Emissions Than ICE, Says Volvo

Lithium batteries have a cycle life of 20 to 30,000 charge / discharge, and providing or large amounts of power really drops this down. There are real challenges of what to do with end of life Lithium Batteries - lithium is not a friendly material.

And EV’s with Lithium Batteries have high voltages associated with them so you need specially trained technicians, firecrews etc to manage them both at servicing and in accidents.

And switching to EV’s before the natural end of life of existing vehicles further adds to the CO2 / environmental cost.

With HGVs, batteries are the biggest challenge. Best in class technology - you have a 10 tonne truck, with sn empty weight of 8tonnes and a range of about 100 miles.

I am an investor and advisor to: We now first commercial versions on the road fitted to five year old trucks. The system gives a 500Nm boost of torque that accelarates an 18 tonne truck up to cruise speed. System weighs under 400kg, and we are working with 18tonne rigids, 44 tonne artics and Australian road trains.

How many trucks are fitted with this? Is stop-start traffic an issue for Australian road trains?
 
Mrs Bought brand new plug in hybrid BMW few months ago… from 8 hour charge was getting 25 miles.. what a waste of 36k that was.. got rid of that junk and she’s got now XC90, I’ve been a proud owner of LC and been driving for over 20 years now and I don’t think any car on this planet can change my mind to get something else. never mind these fancy electric tosters lol.. I love to work on my own car.. which is very rare it needs it! If anything goes wrong on these electric cars it will cost you a freaking fortune to fix it.. in my opinion electric cars are ticking time bombs you will never where it will let you down!

So you've not tried an electric car then.?

I've been driving alsorts for 35yrs and yup, the new breed of fully electric will convert me no problem. 350 mile range means only charging it once a fortnight or less.

A hybrid is not an electric car btw. Repairs will not cost more than ice vehicles. There are far less moving parts in the drivetrain for a start. Other than that they are just a car.
 
To be honest no I haven’t driven a full electric car…and I don’t have a desire, to me it’s just not appealing at all, most full electric cars are fugly anyway lol… call me old fashioned I just love old gas guzzlers.
 
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