I don't think it went as far as revocation, but certainly didn't get them returned until the son had moved elsewhere, also an instance where a trainee keeper (who was doing very well and showing great promise) in a car with friends of his who were also known to police, fac revoked and career over
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You mean the channel owned by someone who had his FAC revoked?
A Guy Out West
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In regard to the op, this sounds like a classic case of ex wife maneuvering. It happens the world over in one extent or another. The ex may be tired of shared custody with the kids and may be setting up the dad for a custody battle. The ex may just be upset about something the dad did or just upset in general and is taking it out on the dad. The reasons for a bogus report from an ex spouse are endless. Some just do it because they can!
Foxyboy43
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Morkai
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I cant stand that bloke from ES, came across some of his videos in the past and thought he was a prat and not a very good ambassador......then looked him up and seen all the trouble he got into.
Stalker62
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A campaigner for shooters’ rights has confirmed that he lost his gun licences because of police concerns over extremist content on social media.
Callum Long-Collins, 28, runs the English Shooting YouTube channel, which reviews legal firearms and promotes the sport of “practical shooting” in which participants run along obstacle courses shooting at targets, often using assault-style weapons.
Morkai
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There must be more to it than just in a car with someone known to police.
Morkai
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Yeah, there are a few articles about it, some of it was extremist views, some might have been his views on home and self defense etc talking about USA vs UK.Same
I believe he had his FAC taken off him.
Foxyboy43
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I suspect there was, but he did have an fac when it happened, then didn’t
Oooooh that sounds juicy - do tell more…..
British gun activist loses firearms licences
Callum Long Collins (pictured) of Fareham, Hampshire, who runs the English Shooting YouTube channel, confirmed police are not going to reinstate his licences after they were revoked in 2016.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Complete tool and narcissist
Dunwaters
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Undoubtedly, but thats no indication that he posed a risk to himself or anyone else.British gun activist loses firearms licences
Callum Long Collins (pictured) of Fareham, Hampshire, who runs the English Shooting YouTube channel, confirmed police are not going to reinstate his licences after they were revoked in 2016.www.dailymail.co.uk
Complete tool and narcissist
The problem in virtually all cases mentioned is that FAC’s and firearms are being removed without a shred of evidence being produced by the police to justify that decision. Theres also no independent review or appeals procedure.
You can be as unsupportive and critical as you like of the individuals who’ve lost their FAC’s so far, but the clear developing trend is that the police can and will take anyones guns and revoke anyones certs whenever they choose without stating a reason or having to justify that reason in court.
The police are also not required to give notification of the decision and may arrive at your door at any time, demand access, enter and search without warrant and confiscate private property, even when that property is not actually a firearm.
This new right of entry search and seizure currently only applies to otherwise law abiding citizens who happen to have a licensed firearm, to enter anyone else’s home they have to go to court and get a warrant or be invited in.
And quite a few of you guys appear to be happy with the way this policy is evolving.
Don’t just look at the individual decisions to revoke in isolation, look at the the developing trends in police policies and actions.
You’re well on the way to losing your certs and guns whenever the police decide to take them.
Most of them cant fit in the fire rerardant coveralls.
Woodsmoke
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I was previously of the view that there was never any smoke without fire, and that whoever was subject to a revocation obviously had more to hide than their story was outwardly showing. The 'system' is never wrong after all, is it?
My view now though, (and it may well be due to the continued refinement of my cynicism skills over the years) is that the 'system' is now so flawed and corrupted that even those charged with upholding it are facing such an uphill battle that they've lost both the will and ability to improve it. And it's only going to get worse
Free range rob
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Yes I agree, I always believed there had to be a warrant in place to enter a property, belief a crime was in progress, or an arrest warrant for a person believed to be at the address,
A letter of revocation is reason enough to take the firearms, but one would think that should be accompanied by a warrant to enter said property.
Voluntary Surrender of firearms is a different matter, that is the police asking you to hand them over and would mean they are entering upon invite from yourself.
Anything outside those two scenarios I would have thought would/should be acting outside of the powers of law
Woodsmoke
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Here's an example from 2017 of how a subjective view on a matter can be misused. In this case, the decision was appealed and overturned. I think it can still be seen to be the result of a police officer overstepping the mark however, at least in this case.
www.bbc.co.uk
Caernarfon man's anti-Islam Facebook posts gun licence row
A man wins an appeal after having his shotgun licence revoked for liking "highly offensive" Facebook messages about Islam.
www.bbc.co.uk
.270
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NGO Wont help him if it is going to cost them.
Not saying they would, someone made a point that BASC (who I'm no fan of) should help, but if he's not paying his subs to them, why should they
Dunwaters
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Because someone has to take a stand?
The current situation is deteriorating before your eyes and nothing is being done to stop it, you need guidelines and support from your national organisations, not criticism or condemnation of those whose certs and firearms are being removed unless it can be established or demonstrated that they are a a danger to themselves or others.
Currently you are allowing the constitutional defences and protections against unlawful entry, search and seizure enjoyed by everyone else in the country, even convicted criminals, to be suspended because the person concerned has an SGC or FAC.
When seizures are made, there is no attempt being made by the police to justify or clarify the decision. They are hiding behind the “ we don't comment on individual cases” defence, but its blindingly obvious at this stage that its not just individual cases, its a new policy.
Meanwhile, the past history and character of the victims are dragged under the microscope on social media in an attempt to justify the police action and they are left to fend for themselves in a legal quagmire where all the advantages and most of the rules favour the official side.
The police can’t lose, they’re playing with your money, they can go all the way to the House of Lords and it won’t cost them personally a single penny, which seems to be what they're counting on, no personal responsibility, its “ policy”.
None of us is perfect, just about everyone has something reprehensible lurking in the past and people change opinions and associations as they mature.
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