guns taken

[enfieldspares]

3) Rifle scopes, particularly thermals, are expensive and not too robust. Can you remove the scopes before the police take them?

Yes. It is wise to do so.

I know of no armed response team that being tasked to remove a person's firearms would then hand those same guns back to the owner to "tinker with" after having seized them.

 

[Stalker62]

I know of no armed response team that being tasked to remove a person's firearms would then hand those same guns back to the owner to "tinker with" after having seized them.

No, and to be frank, if I was seizing firearms, then neither would I.

If, however, the seizure is anticipated or indeed by "appointment" then it can be done without any drama.

If the Police are turning up via abseil and distraction devices, then all bets are off...

 

[TH4]

Just remember you lot the police will be looking at your social media activities when your up for a renewal
Stay safe children

The guidance is that police will only look at your social media if there are other areas of concern.

 

[enfieldspares]

No, and to be frank, if I was seizing firearms, then neither would I.

Very wise! Mr Mead at 6m 45s in! LOL!

 

[Swedish]

Very wise! Mr Mead at 6m 45s in! LOL!

I think it was Alfred's last little squeak that caused me to almost spit my tea all over the monitor

EDIT: Oh boy, even better, the attempted suicide by jigsaw!

 

[B&W FOX]

English Shooting channel on YouTube have released updated footage on this subject.
Sorry can't seem to get the link.

 

[Jon P]

 

[Stalker62]

This man has nothing of interest to say.

Nothing.

 

[Jon P]

Interesting point that if you voluntarily surrender your firearms then possibility any legal insurance you have may not be valid as your gun license was not revoked and there is no appeal process if you surrender them.

 

[Jon P]

This man has nothing of interest to say.

Nothing.

I am not a fan of the format of the video. I posted it as the other person who mentioned it stated they could not post the link. The one sentence on voluntary surrender was interesting.

 

[Mr. Gain]

I think Devon and Cornwall have been put in an impossible situation by poor decisions of some of their staff.

I think they put themselves in that position by failing to hire competent people or to exercise the necessary oversight of their licensing department

the police are extremely risk adverse

If they were properly risk-averse, they would focus on ensuring their licensing department was competent and properly resources rather than mugging certificate holders.

I understand how CCs would decide to prioritize day to day operations over insuring against future catastrophes by maintaining licensing departments that are fit for purpose, but that's not avoiding risk: it's courting it, knowing that incidents are as rare as they are tragic, and that the spotlight and the blame will be easy to turn on certificate holders when it becomes expedient to do so.

 

[NullMac]

He says it isn't a "voluntary revocation" - a term that doesn't make sense, btw.

I know of instances where a guy has been accused of a non-firearms offence which would raise issues of his suitability to possess firearms. In those instances the individual/s choose to place their firearms with an RFD and temporarily surrender their certificates until the issue was cleared up. An attempt to demonstrate competence and responsibility when events would suggest otherwise. Not sure of the exact legal niceties

 

[JTO]

Makes you wonder how much support you’d get from a shooting organisation if a real accident occurred and you needed legal support on that side!

BASC may not pay legal fees, but they will supply the name of a recommended barrister.
I know of someone who had his, and his son's, weapons taken because, after over 8 years and a DSC2 holder, plod found out that he was a banned person. £2,000 later, they got everything back.

 

[Greenmist]

plod found out that he was a banned person.

Does that mean he lied on his application?

 

[JTO]

Does that mean he lied on his application?

He didn't get a chance. He was asked if he had any convictions. "Well, about 40 years ago..".
"Water under the bridge" says the FEO.

 

[Free range rob]

BASC may not pay legal fees, but they will supply the name of a recommended barrister.
I know of someone who had his, and his son's, weapons taken because, after over 8 years and a DSC2 holder, plod found out that he was a banned person. £2,000 later, they got everything back.

How would that stack up if the son didn’t have a problem, I get the whole banned person part, but if the son also had the firearms on his ticket and was not banned ?

 

[JTO]

How would that stack up if the son didn’t have a problem, I get the whole banned person part, but if the son also had the firearms on his ticket and was not banned ?

Living in the same house! I think the police work on the "if you get the chance, grab any gun you can" principal.

 

[Stalker62]

I think the police work on the "if you get the chance, grab any gun you can" principal.

 

[Greenmist]

Living in the same house! I think the police work on the "if you get the chance, grab any gun you can" principal.

You're correct, I know of a keeper near to where I used to work, son moved back in and was known to police, guns were removed the following day

 

[JTO]

You're correct, I know of a keeper near to where I used to work, son moved back in and was known to police, guns were removed the following day

"Known criminal associations" is a reason they can use to refuse an application, I believe, perhaps a revocation also.
"Intemperate habits" is another one.