Despite making the change to lead free a couple of years ago now and having pretty much no issue with the ammo I’m not seeing any legislation at the dealers on lead shot game. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad about this, but if anything the lead free movement seems to have lost steam. What are you guys finding?
Where are we at with lead free
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deerstalker.308
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Due to com into force in the next 12 months I believe with dealers taking carcasses if memory serves.
8x57
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Purely a personal view but based solely on web chatter I would probably take an opposing view and say that the "lead free movement" has gained considerable traction over the last 18 months or so.
P.S. I've yet to take the plunge myself and have no necessity to do so as I don't sell to game dealers who have signed up to this.
P.S. I've yet to take the plunge myself and have no necessity to do so as I don't sell to game dealers who have signed up to this.
DevonRifle
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Local game dealer pays good rates by what others are saying (currently £2 a kilo) but must be lead free. I couldn’t get copper round around here for love nor money so I’ve taken to reloading. Waiting for my mate to help with the first batch but I got all the gear for Christmas.
Freeforester
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Plenty talk among hill men and others of their terminal ballistic impact ‘performance’ and the implications for the target species following ‘events’ noted in the last stag season, it would appear that the suffering associated with their use is presumably outweighed by the ’safer’ eating qualities of venison acquired by their use. Interestingly, there would appear to be no shortage of end consumers happy to ‘risk’ the ‘suspect’ venison, especially when the perceived, and the actual risks of deer culled professionally with lead cored bullets, and the implications and effects of using the alternative type projectile on the individual deer are explained to them.
Another case of unintended consequence, and the disregard for suffering by the proponents of lead free ammunition, opinions may be at variance with the findings as described above, of course. Thankfully, free choice is still permissible.
I won’t be using them, but nor will I be renewing my dealers licence.
Another case of unintended consequence, and the disregard for suffering by the proponents of lead free ammunition, opinions may be at variance with the findings as described above, of course. Thankfully, free choice is still permissible.
I won’t be using them, but nor will I be renewing my dealers licence.
I decided to give them a go. Very accurate in my .243 but didn't like the results on the only two deer I have chest shot so far. First one I thought "Not happy, might be me" so tried again. Second one the same. They now sit in the ammo box as my butcher is quite happy with lead shot deer.
I don’t know if it’s true but I did hear a whisper that they were going to review copper for deer????? I personally use the Barnes lrx in .270)129grn)+7mm rm (139grn) and ttsx in the .22.250(55 grn)and I have not had any deer that I have shot that a lead bullet would of done a better job. I contracted for the last couple of years so obviously cull numbers were 300+ on roe and sika and they were flawless. The 7mm on sika just sacks them but that might be a bit if the big calibre and lots of speed issue.just my findings though there will be plenty folk that don’t like them
long_range_rob
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Sako Powerhead Blade exit wound on Muntjac buck as 80yds. So far GMX and Blade are what I would recommend.
Have been using Barnes 130gr TTXS out of a 30-06 at circa 3100 FPS for about two years. Shooting 30-50 deer a year on lowland permissions and in Scotland. Can honestly say I haven't had a problem with accuracy or terminal performance.
Spot on and very well explained , speaking to contractors there unhappy at the outcome of a lot of shot and well hit deer , 2 weeks ago working for a friend and having spent 3 hrs stalking into a group of stags instead of the numbers I had hoped to take I only shot 1 , approx 280 m , and standing broadside , having seen no reaction to the shot and no thump to the shot I was unable to go onto another deer because I thought I had missed it , so I shot it again this time in the neck and it collapsed , needless to say the others took heel and pis… of leaving me with one stag out of 8 . Soon as I got to it I could see the shot placement was fine with the first shot and on gralloching it proved it should have given me a better reaction . This problem seems to be quite common with copper so hopefully the manufacturers will address it if we are to continue using copper . Expansion needs to better . I was using 110 g sako , accurate enough and the Sauer likes them but there not there yet .
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There is much confusion over legislation, and self-imposed requirements to conduct business....
Parliament has not enacted any law, DEFRA have not enacted any statutory instruments relating to lead based ammunition on deer, or boar.
The Game Dealers association has agreed to bring it In off their own bat. Not all dealers are in the organisation. It may have something to do with the enormous glut if venison and collapse in markets, and they want to provide a premium product but theres a lot of disinformation, and those with vested interests (selling copper projectiles and ammunition, firearms training services, and indeed new firearms to ‘handle’ the ‘new’ ammo) are simply filling their buckets with your coin by promoting fear, cleverly using words and ommission to sell, sell, sell.
If a landowner forbids lead based ammunition, or a client wants carcasses shot with copper, fair enough.
I have copper loads, they are phenomenal, but they arent mandatory.
I actually like copper bullets, in fact the only thing I don't like is the cost but a machine turned bullet is always going to cost more . The performance I have had from 100 grain ttsx Barnes has been exactly what manufacturers of lead bullets have been looking for for years ( proper expansion and max weight retention ) once that bullet goes through a red and all have the bullet basically is falling out tge sky and I pick many up ( I still treat the backdrop / backstop as imperative though )
But then I also use steel shotgun ammo out of preference and habbit , its different from lead ( you just don't get lucky with single pellet strikes) and it hits a window of great to rubbish certainly within 10 yards of the final range window . Only thing I don't like is broken teeth so I use bigger shot and serve the game differently.
I hate legislation as today its always a case of three wolves and one lamb having a vote on what's for lunch! I have inhaled all sorts of toxic metal fumes in my working life , used to bite lead fishing shot throughout my childhood and inhaled a whole load of car exhaust fumes for the first twenty years or so .
But I also took more than a few bangs to the head so my problems today cannot ever be said to be purely lead alone
But then I also use steel shotgun ammo out of preference and habbit , its different from lead ( you just don't get lucky with single pellet strikes) and it hits a window of great to rubbish certainly within 10 yards of the final range window . Only thing I don't like is broken teeth so I use bigger shot and serve the game differently.
I hate legislation as today its always a case of three wolves and one lamb having a vote on what's for lunch! I have inhaled all sorts of toxic metal fumes in my working life , used to bite lead fishing shot throughout my childhood and inhaled a whole load of car exhaust fumes for the first twenty years or so .
But I also took more than a few bangs to the head so my problems today cannot ever be said to be purely lead alone
Freeforester
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Aye, wha kent, eh?! Ironically their use will lead to more lost meat rather than less, as
Still, they call it ’progress’, eh? By their logic, a (recoverable) stainless broadhead would be just as justifiable, and arguably more so, but we won’t look too closely at that here.
Hope that was all factory loaded ammo, if you are using reloaded/home loaded ammo and culling for an organisation such as FLS that only permits use of factory ammo, you've admitted to breaching contract ...
Skietindiekop
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Was private work not with fls so I don’t need to worry about any breeching of any contract, I have used the sako .270 factory a while back on fls and it was fine it was the 110 grn ttsx and worked great but for price I would definitely rather use lead that’s for sure
foxdropper
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Is there a deer legal ,non lead round available for all species in 243
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