A question about archery…

[willie_gunn]

Interestingly, removing the deer taken in poaching is not an offence in itself so the magistrate needs to remember to rule that the deer is forfeit.

That's not what Section 17 of the Deer (Scotland) Act 1996 would suggest (my underlining)

17 Unlawful killing, taking and injuring of deer.​

(1) Subject to section 25 of this Act, any person who, without legal right to take or kill deer or without permission from a person having such right, takes or wilfully kills or injures deer on any land shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) Subject to section 25 of this Act, any person who, without legal right to take or kill deer on any land or without permission from a person having such right, removes any deer carcase from that land shall be guilty of an offence.

(3) Subject to section 25 of this Act, any person who wilfully kills or injures any deer otherwise than by shooting shall be guilty of an offence.

 

[big ears]

I believe it is still allowed for an Englishman to shoot a Welshman with a longbow from Cardiff castle walls. Not sure that counts as a sport though

 

[willie_gunn]

I believe it is still allowed for an Englishman to shoot a Welshman with a longbow from Cardiff castle walls. Not sure that counts as a sport though

It was Chester and/or Hereford....oh, and it's not true

Can you really shoot a Welsh person with a longbow after midnight in Chester?

Every country in the world seems to have a collection of strange laws that are bizarre, outdated or just plain wrong, even to the people who live…

www.leaderlive.co.uk

 

[NomDeGuerre]

Hello Nom de Guerre, welcome to the site.
Never having used a bow to hunt and otherwise inexpertly, I wouldn't hunt with a bow (if it were permitted), because in my hands it would not be humane.
My view of the method is therefore coloured by my own lack of capability.
Whilst I respect your right to do as you wish at home, I think we have the law about right here, (except for catapults and sling shots).

More and more States are beginning to require a Bowhunter’s Safety Course, above and beyond the normal Hunter Safety Course, which is required in many, but not all States. I have taken it here, and advocate it. It may not prevent every knucklehead from acting irresponsibly and choosing to release an arrow on a poor shot opportunity, but it definitely helps.

 

[willie_gunn]

The early Deer Acts were created by the Toffs and had some outrageous clauses designed to imprison anyone the fox hunting classes rich bastards landowners decided was a poacher. So there was no chance they were going to allow a silent and unlicensed "weapon" to be used legally for deer stalking.

The Deer (Scotland) Act 1959 and the Deer Act 1963 followed on from the report of the Scott Henderson Henderson Committee (1951) into cruelty to wild animals.

The Scott Henderson Committee was set up by the Labour Party, who historically have no love for the Toffs, but did establish that deer poaching was a growing problem.

There were no close seasons and no controls on what could or could not be used to kill or take a deer. The legislation thus enacted was hardly a Toffs charter!

 

[Tim.243]

Well, as the saying goes… don’t knock it until you’ve tried it!

While I agree, a quick follow up shot is not available with archery, nor is it available with Flintlock muzzleloaders, the point is to hone one’s skill and temper one’s patience to not take the shot, unless you are certain of a clean kill, or at least as certain as one can be.

That won’t always be the case, of course, but then people sometimes wound and fail to recover their quarry with rifles, as well.

I’m not sure I get what your comment about personal and staff safety means. Would you please elaborate?

As for being a waste of time, I disagree whole heartedly. I have a lot of photos and memories that prove it’s certainly not a waste of time. I think accomplishing something the hard way is often more rewarding than doing it the easy way.

No problem.

Also can you reply as well.

I’m not sure I get what your comment about personal and staff safety means. Would you please elaborate?

Some bow hunters are stupid enough to take on Bear Lion Buffalo in that situation personal safety (some take their wives) also on these trips STAFF will be along side. So your misplaced arrow with no back up shot will put people in a position (at risk) you cant help them.

Yes big game hunting goes wrong but you have much more chance with a .375>400>600 also there will be on most occasions 2/3 other people with big rifles.

As for flintlock/black powder single shots that is best left to this chap.

 

[willie_gunn]

More and more States are beginning to require a Bowhunter’s Safety Course, above and beyond the normal Hunter Safety Course, which is required in many, but not all States. I have taken it here, and advocate it. It may not prevent every knucklehead from acting irresponsibly and choosing to release an arrow on a poor shot opportunity, but it definitely helps.

Steady on!

Before long you'll be ruffling the feathers of the anti-"mandatory hunter training" members as well as the anti-bowhunting brigade!

 

[RM100]

@NomDeGuerre : the only question that needs an answer is this: is your bow a 308 calibre or 6.5 Creedmore. The wrong answer will have you tarred ‘n feathered ( clearly, pheasant feathers )

 

[VSS]

Can anyone think of one single law which has been reversed ,I can’t .

It seems to be the British mentality to keep on adding rules, but never to do away with the outdated ones. It is still a requirement, in some villages in England, for all grown men to turn out for archery practice on the village green at specified intervals throughout the year. There'd be uproar now if anyone actually complied with that mediaeval requirement, but even so I bet the rule wouldn't be removed. Another one would simply be applied in addition, to make it impossible.

 

[Tim.243]

@NomDeGuerre : the only question that needs an answer is this: is your bow a 308 calibre or 6.5 Creedmore. The wrong answer will have you tarred ‘n feathered ( clearly, pheasant feathers )

 

[NomDeGuerre]

No problem.

Also can you reply as well.

I’m not sure I get what your comment about personal and staff safety means. Would you please elaborate?

Some bow hunters are stupid enough to take on Bear Lion Buffalo in that situation personal safety (some take their wives) also on these trips STAFF will be along side. So your misplaced arrow with no back up shot will put people in a position (at risk) you cant help them.

Yes big game hunting goes wrong but you have much more chance with a .375>400>600 also there will be on most occasions 2/3 other people with big rifles.

As for flintlock/black powder single shots that is best left to this chap.

Ah, I understand, now. Dangerous big game hunting with a bow is not of interest to me and I agree it’s not the wisest or safest thing to do, although I respect those that wish to press their luck.

And I love that movie! That’s the movie that sparked (pun intended) a huge interest in black powder shooting in the States. I think it also was influential in opening up a flintlock deer season in Pennsylvania, not long after it’s original theatrical release.

Come on over the pond for archery and flintlock season, @Tim.243, and you might just change your mind about it.

 

[Tim.243]

Ah, I understand, now. Dangerous big game hunting with a bow is not of interest to me and I agree it’s not the wisest or safest thing to do, although I respect those that wish to press their luck.

And I love that movie! That’s the movie that sparked (pun intended) a huge interest in black powder shooting in the States. I think it also was influential in opening up a flintlock deer season in Pennsylvania, not long after it’s original theatrical release.

Come on over the pond for archery and flintlock season, @Tim.243, and you might just change your mind about it.

Having been through US customs a couple of times and seen the agent slide his hand to his side arm as I read the
Arabic stamp from right to left as he asked me to....Had he taken his mirrored glass off he would have seen it said

Sharm el-Sheikh in English
شرم الشيخ
.... I never changed my mind abt the agent so take that as a no for bows and arrows. Leave it to the people who were best at them the real Americans lol

 

[NomDeGuerre]

@NomDeGuerre : the only question that needs an answer is this: is your bow a 308 calibre or 6.5 Creedmore. The wrong answer will have you tarred ‘n feathered ( clearly, pheasant feathers )

I’ve got a few bows, but I refuse to answer what caliber they are. Here’s a laminated Longbow that I built in 2016/2017. It’s the first and only bow I’ve built so far. It took quite a while to built the form and the curing coffin… I mean curing box. I named it a “Mantis,” because a Praying Mantis landed on my form when I was finishing it up.

 

[saddler]

I’ve got a few bows, but I refuse to answer what caliber they are. Here’s a laminated Longbow that I built in 2016/2017. It’s the first and only bow I’ve built so far. It took quite a while to built the form and the curing coffin… I mean curing box. I named it a “Mantis,” because a Praying Mantis landed on my form when I was finishing it up.

Interesting longbow, sorry, AMERICAN longbow.
Good to see more archers on here...I used to be in a couple of clubs including one in Coldsteam, (and I used to get up to Flodden Field once in a while...)

Not sure if you missed it, but the last real use of an English Longbow in battle was in 1940.
A well known officer had taken his bow with him to France & used it during the Dunkirk retreat to, as it were, deal with a German sentry...but he was careful to make sure the arrow was retrieved.

Big fan of the writing of Howard Hill. He knew what a bow was capable of...

 

[NomDeGuerre]

Not sure if you missed it, but the last real use of an English Longbow in battle was in 1940.
A well known officer had taken his bow with him to France & used it during the Dunkirk retreat to, as it were, deal with a German sentry...but he was careful to make sure the arrow was retrieved.

You are speaking of “Mad” Jack Churchill, I presume?

I was just chatting about him with some buddies yeaterday!

And yes, Howard Hill wrote some great stuff. I kind of made a reference to one of his books earlier in this thread when I made a reply to Tim.243

 

[Taff]

You all need to move to a country with proper hunting laws, bear arena 31 56lb draw for hunting.

 

[NomDeGuerre]

You all need to move to a country with proper hunting laws, bear arena 31 56lb draw for hunting.

I set my compounds up for 60# draw. I have owned mostly Mathews compounds for the last 12 years, but most have been sold off. I still have an old Switchback, though. If I buy a new compound bow, it’ll probably be a Hoyt Carbon RX-7. That’s the only compound bow that has me tempted.

But it’s funny you seem to insinuate traditional bows somehow don’t make the grade. I wonder how all the native tribespeople of America ever took game without access to compound bows long before Europeans arrived?

 

[Taff]

When did I insinuate that, I built a longbow out of English yew, three years to dry the wood, six months to make the bow a couple of hours each evening, following the grain with a bill hook, testing the curve and poundage by removing sap wood and heartwood, that’s how primitive archers did it, also have some arrowheads and skinning knives (flint) from the trail of tears .

 

[foxdropper]

It is still a requirement, in some villages in England, for all grown men to turn out for archery practice on the village green at specified intervals throughout the year.

Is there a list of villages Tim .I’d like to put this in the parish mag and see if there’s any interest

 

[simgre]

Ironically enough, there was a field archery range as part of a sports complex not far from me and the targets consisted of a couple of bulls eyes on hay bails, with most being life size, 3D targets of deer, bear, boar and turkeys!!!

Fair to say, there were not many holes in the bulls eyes!