Bmh x Labrador.

Also just to add please don’t all start hating at me for asking this. It is simply a question from someone who has heard mixed reviews on the matter and is curious to hear people’s thoughts. Not be“hounded for it LOL😉 please keep it constructive and friendly.
 
I have one. She is wonderful.

+ves - excellent nose, instinctive tracking ability, lots of drive and enthusiasm, wonderful temperament as a family dog and very gentle with children, very good at finding birds, and because being a cross much cheaper to insure.

-ves - has a germanic streak in her, she does think she is a double pedigree and knows best, and will sulk for days if you go shooting / stalking without her. On birds her retrieving is less than perfect. She will find shot birds very well, but if they are fluffy phaesants she is less than convinced and rather thinks they are beneath her dignity. Proper wild ducks and geese on foreshore - well those are another matter entirely and will be retrieved endlessly. She does sing a bit.
 
Seems a sensible cross that whatever turns out and first cross dogs are very variable. It's hard to beat a lab though but it will doubles make a noisy version of a lab , indeed I have a lab with Austrian heritage and its tge noisy bugger of the kennel
 
Seems a sensible cross that whatever turns out and first cross dogs are very variable. It's hard to beat a lab though but it will doubles make a noisy version of a lab , indeed I have a lab with Austrian heritage and its tge noisy bugger of the kennel
In my experience Labs can be noisy. We had one when I was a kid who thought she was a blues singer and soon as any blues was being played she joined in.

I also have a good friend who has a spaniel who fancies herself as a singer. I made the mistake of going on a fishing trip with them and taking my hound. Mine is also starting to sing to the blues as well.
 
In my experience Labs can be noisy. We had one when I was a kid who thought she was a blues singer and soon as any blues was being played she joined in.

I also have a good friend who has a spaniel who fancies herself as a singer. I made the mistake of going on a fishing trip with them and taking my hound. Mine is also starting to sing to the blues as well.

Not mine , mainly noisy dogs come from the continent
 
Why would anyone want to ruin a good blood spooring breed by crossing it with a Labrador?
Maybe in the hopes that it could swim ? BMH, being solid muscle, aren't ideally suited to that. I do agree.

New dog is standard poodle x 1/4 Irish setter. But he is a pet, and only an adolescent (18 months) so yet to learn, besides I don't have the opportunities to train him, though I think he would have great potential. Most definitely a water hound, with good sight. And seems to have a nose, when he can be persuaded to use it. 22kg and still growing. Strong willed, but biddable.

My most natural deer dog is a brother's Jack Russel. When I walk him around his local deer estate (locals are permitted to do so, with a permit, when they aren't shooting) he can spot deer like nothing I have seen before, stays utterly silent and gives me a look, then a point, and finds their trails for me, but easily distracted by rats etc. I can't shoot there, but if I could I'd certainly borrow him.

All the best.
 
What a question , it assumes a lab isn't a good deer dog ? You seriously think that ?
I don’t think that no, I have 2 labs purposely for deer which are very good but I’ve been told that this cross is also a good mix so was just putting the question out there.
I’m a Labrador person through and through but always open to ideas.
 
I don’t think that no, I have 2 labs purposely for deer which are very good but I’ve been told that this cross is also a good mix so was just putting the question out there.
I’m a Labrador person through and through but always open to ideas.
Confused me a minute that but I 100% believe the lab makes a belting choice of deer dog and know a good few others who use nothing but .
I don't see anything the lab is short on other than some just don't Bay. My more experienced dog is mainly quiet , unless there's a threat but in recent times we have learned he has various different barks ( the stagest one discovered last spring ) is lamb stuck in the fence help it was a mournful cry seriously thought he had a serious injury 😆 probably just being perfectly clear he wasn't trying to play with lambs . Younger dog is far more vocal
Niels sondergaard wrote about the lab not being big on making noise . In his book , tbf a double edged blade I do not encourage in mine
 
Confused me a minute that but I 100% believe the lab makes a belting choice of deer dog and know a good few others who use nothing but .
I don't see anything the lab is short on other than some just don't Bay. My more experienced dog is mainly quiet , unless there's a threat but in recent times we have learned he has various different barks ( the stagest one discovered last spring ) is lamb stuck in the fence help it was a mournful cry seriously thought he had a serious injury 😆 probably just being perfectly clear he wasn't trying to play with lambs . Younger dog is far more vocal
Niels sondergaard wrote about the lab not being big on making noise . In his book , tbf a double edged blade I do not encourage in mine
Thanks for the clarification, I’m a massive lab fan all the way. It was just out of interest to see if people had had success
 
Thanks for the clarification, I’m a massive lab fan all the way. It was just out of interest to see if people had had success
Totally and I know of a good few . Even one that works exclusively night culling , got one of tge deer tracking guys collecting a knife Monday he has labs for tge job also .
Let's face it guide dogs , drugs dogs , disability support , drugs and cadaver dogs , bomb dogs and the world's most popular gundog and pet dog etc etc . How can it be a poor choice
 
When you think about it, for any dog a deer is a large amount of yumminess, and pretty much any dog once it knows what the smell of a dead deer signifies will want to find it. That’s a dogs natural instinct and most dogs once shown will follow a big blood trail if they know the reward at the end.

Pretty much most training comes down to managing and honing that instinct so that it recognises the smell of deer blood and can follow the track of a wounded deer, vs the track of an unwounded animal.

Where the real skills come in is teaching a dog to track a certain animal based on the shot site smell of principally its hooves with minimal blood trail over a twisty track of a few kilometres.

Typically a gutshot animal, or even an animal shot a bit far back with a bullet that goes through the liver and into the rumen and fails to exit, or if it does, the exit gets blocked by guts, will leave a minimal blood trail. It’s such animals that a well trained tracking dog will find.

And its taking a dog to that level where the time, skill, knowledge and breeding comes in.

In exactly the same way there is a huge difference between the average lab or spaniel that is primarily a much loved member of the family that goes out shooting and will flush or pick up birds, compared to the professionally trained and worked dogs of those who pickup professionally five days a week.

As I have said earlier I have a BMH / Lab and have been very pleased with her, but she is by no means perfect. Principal reason was that I had seen a BMH / Lab before and liked the end result, and when the prospect of a litter came up here SD I followed up. Both her parents belonged to the keeper who had the litter, and both parents are really good dogs. And it was the parents, not necessarily their breeding, that the deciding factor.
 
When you think about it, for any dog a deer is a large amount of yumminess, and pretty much any dog once it knows what the smell of a dead deer signifies will want to find it. That’s a dogs natural instinct and most dogs once shown will follow a big blood trail if they know the reward at the end.

Pretty much most training comes down to managing and honing that instinct so that it recognises the smell of deer blood and can follow the track of a wounded deer, vs the track of an unwounded animal.

Where the real skills come in is teaching a dog to track a certain animal based on the shot site smell of principally its hooves with minimal blood trail over a twisty track of a few kilometres.

Typically a gutshot animal, or even an animal shot a bit far back with a bullet that goes through the liver and into the rumen and fails to exit, or if it does, the exit gets blocked by guts, will leave a minimal blood trail. It’s such animals that a well trained tracking dog will find.

And its taking a dog to that level where the time, skill, knowledge and breeding comes in.

In exactly the same way there is a huge difference between the average lab or spaniel that is primarily a much loved member of the family that goes out shooting and will flush or pick up birds, compared to the professionally trained and worked dogs of those who pickup professionally five days a week.

As I have said earlier I have a BMH / Lab and have been very pleased with her, but she is by no means perfect. Principal reason was that I had seen a BMH / Lab before and liked the end result, and when the prospect of a litter came up here SD I followed up. Both her parents belonged to the keeper who had the litter, and both parents are really good dogs. And it was the parents, not necessarily their breeding, that the deciding factor.
Often people think deer are far harder for the dog than they are . Any properly bred gundog has an awesome nose , if it be a ground scenting dog or a primarily air s eating the only difference is dead on the trail or somewhere downwind . Some do both especially in the talker breeds
Both my labs are of top field trial stock they find tracking deer really easy once they know they are on the job list a cock pheasant with a wing down and running and certainly a clipped pink foot is in my experience far more challenging. ( especially if they take to the wing a little )
After all a gundog goes out when fully ready a deer dog starts before it's fully ready to learn the job
 
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