Shock collar.
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Sinistral
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Quite right too.
IMO buyers should have this torture device fitted to their testicles, and a stiff jolt administered.
It's hard to believe, but Amazon advertise their sale as 'anti-barking' aids.
www.bva.co.uk
www.thekennelclub.org.uk
IMO buyers should have this torture device fitted to their testicles, and a stiff jolt administered.
It's hard to believe, but Amazon advertise their sale as 'anti-barking' aids.
BVA policy - Electric shock collars and training aids
We’re concerned that the use of electric shock collars to punish or control dogs or cats is open to abuse and can cause welfare and training problems.
www.bva.co.uk
Ban electric shock collars | The Royal Kennel Club
We are against the use of any negative training methods or devices. This includes electric shock collars (ESCs).
www.thekennelclub.org.uk
Collars can save a dogs life or ruin a dog . The difference is right application and timing or wrong application and bad timing .
Need to stop that dog before it gets into the red zone , 7 months? Problem that I just wonder whats actually happening doesn't sound like a collar job at 7 months old I should seek a trained professional to help
Need to stop that dog before it gets into the red zone , 7 months? Problem that I just wonder whats actually happening doesn't sound like a collar job at 7 months old I should seek a trained professional to help
What Bowland said. If you’d have been looking to buy from me I would have advised not to get an e-collar and speak with a professional dog trainer. With the age of your dog and incorrect guidance you are likely to create a bigger problem.
Just looking at the area you are in. I would look up Alan Wood. A very skilled dog trainer in the Manchester area.
Dunwaters
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I use a collar but in this case your Mrs is right, get shut of it, its totally the wrong tool for this job.
It sounds like your pup is nervous of other dogs, its not that big a problem to fix most of the time unless your pup has behavioural problems.
As above, bring it to a trainer or a local dog training class, but be open about why you're there.
kenbro
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Hi,
We have two Jacks x Manchester terriers (Dog and Bitch) that are 11 years old, both were attacked by other dogs when they were still puppies.
Things were okay for several years and we could let them run off their leads and they would mix well with most other dogs.
Last 3 years both their temperaments have changed and now they are seldom off the lead and if other dogs (Running free) approach them it’s a lottery as to whether they are friendly or not. Sometimes dogs come up to us and our two are all tail wagging happy….then, for no reason things change and a fight starts. Other times if a dog gets within 3 metres ours are trying to get at them.
What I think was happening with our new puppy was she was mimicking the older two dogs and preempting an attack.
Now, wifey and I take all 3 in the same car to the same park but we walk opposite ways and then meet up.
Puppy Belle is much better like this but has to be told NO as she starts to pull each time we meet another dog. Two or 3 NOs and she ignores the dog and is back to looking for squirrels.
We are still considering contacting a professional dog trainer.
Thanks for all replies, Ken.
We have two Jacks x Manchester terriers (Dog and Bitch) that are 11 years old, both were attacked by other dogs when they were still puppies.
Things were okay for several years and we could let them run off their leads and they would mix well with most other dogs.
Last 3 years both their temperaments have changed and now they are seldom off the lead and if other dogs (Running free) approach them it’s a lottery as to whether they are friendly or not. Sometimes dogs come up to us and our two are all tail wagging happy….then, for no reason things change and a fight starts. Other times if a dog gets within 3 metres ours are trying to get at them.
What I think was happening with our new puppy was she was mimicking the older two dogs and preempting an attack.
Now, wifey and I take all 3 in the same car to the same park but we walk opposite ways and then meet up.
Puppy Belle is much better like this but has to be told NO as she starts to pull each time we meet another dog. Two or 3 NOs and she ignores the dog and is back to looking for squirrels.
We are still considering contacting a professional dog trainer.
Thanks for all replies, Ken.
Siggy
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After much reluctance I purchased an e-collar. I tried it on myself first (not on my b*llocks admittedly) - its uncomfortable but not painful. I used it on my dog that was extremely high prey drive and was crossing 3 fields to get at anything that moved. As a result she was a danger to herself, motorists and wildlife. Bearing in mind my dog already had excellent recall in the absence of a prey type stimulus, within one training session (probably only 4 pulses) I was getting good consistent recall.Quite right too.
IMO buyers should have this torture device fitted to their testicles, and a stiff jolt administered.
It's hard to believe, but Amazon advertise their sale as 'anti-barking' aids.
BVA policy - Electric shock collars and training aids
We’re concerned that the use of electric shock collars to punish or control dogs or cats is open to abuse and can cause welfare and training problems.Ban electric shock collars | The Royal Kennel Club
We are against the use of any negative training methods or devices. This includes electric shock collars (ESCs).
Now I do feel guilty having to resort to this but I don't have access to any training ground that isn't crawling with Muntjac, let alone squirrels, blackbirds, duck & pied wagtails or anything else that triggered her. Somewhere along the line in her early training I obviously missed a developing issue and some encounters with some muntjac in unexpected situations cemented a serious problem. The dog had been in regular training classes since she was in puppy classes and we sort advice from the very competent trainer and had additional sessions, however it wasn't enough to cut through the red mist the moment it descended. So in defence of e-collars, while I accept miss use should be punished, I think they are extremely effected tools for correcting dogs at distance - they almost certainly have saved my dogs life - obviously IMO this is a positive welfare benefit.
I have seen no negative behavioural impact on the dog - she is happy for me to put the collar on and has no association between the correction and myself. As I write she is curled up next to me on the sofa.
It strikes me as rank hypocrisy for the kennel club to have a campaign to ban e-collars on the grounds of welfare while it continues to fail to tackle hip dysplasia in German shepherds and other breed defects in other breeds.
Lastly, for the question in the original post, I don't think an e-collar is the correct tool for the job and echo the previous posts that recommend getting the services of a good dog trainer/dog behaviouralist
patrickstar
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I purchased a collar years ago for a bitch what kept running in and to be honest it really did nothing.A bit more calm training on my part corrected it ,i personally now believe they just a barbaric torture tool what dont correct anything bin it
Rake Aboot
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Garbage.
patrickstar
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hows that
John Gryphon
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The worst sheep killing dog will stop worrying after being introduced to a lesson when it bites/attacks another sheep.
The dog takes the view that sheep bite back and are not to be ****ed around with and thus give them respect.
Its either the lessons or a hole.
I have to add that we have electric fences for several hundred Angus cattle here. They learn,they know,they don`t go...simple!
The world doesnt mind elec fences for stock so why the big NO NO for training recalcitrant dogs with a collar with a shock value of 1% of a cattle fence`s output...I get a blast at least once a fortnight myself ha ha and its a right royal **** too lol.
The dog takes the view that sheep bite back and are not to be ****ed around with and thus give them respect.
Its either the lessons or a hole.
I have to add that we have electric fences for several hundred Angus cattle here. They learn,they know,they don`t go...simple!
The world doesnt mind elec fences for stock so why the big NO NO for training recalcitrant dogs with a collar with a shock value of 1% of a cattle fence`s output...I get a blast at least once a fortnight myself ha ha and its a right royal **** too lol.
May be wrong but I thought they were illegal now in the UK.
Rake Aboot
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No they aren’t illegal throughout the UK
Perfectly legal in Scotland
Perfectly legal in Scotland
Illegal in Wales.
Dunwaters
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Because the collars work, that’s why we still have them and use them 60 years after their introduction.
If you don't want to use one that’s fine, I have no issue with your decision, but they’re a valuable tool, so I keep it on standby just in case.
Rake Aboot
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I used a dogtra IQ mini the past few days on a dog who’s hunting drive was going to get him killed on a road. Utterly frustrating so the collar was used.
Instant result with absolutely no pain or sign of distress at all from the dog.
Collar was never used above the minimum setting set while conditioning the dog to the collar.
All the training was already done so the simple act of turning the dogs attention away from hunting up and back to the command was instant.
An amazing tool if used correctly when it’s required.
My own thought is that anyone thinking that a collar is some sort of cruelty is too stupid to take the time to learn how to use it.
The dog barely even registered a reaction but that was enough to work.
Can thoroughly recommend the Dogtra units as well.
Instant result with absolutely no pain or sign of distress at all from the dog.
Collar was never used above the minimum setting set while conditioning the dog to the collar.
All the training was already done so the simple act of turning the dogs attention away from hunting up and back to the command was instant.
An amazing tool if used correctly when it’s required.
My own thought is that anyone thinking that a collar is some sort of cruelty is too stupid to take the time to learn how to use it.
The dog barely even registered a reaction but that was enough to work.
Can thoroughly recommend the Dogtra units as well.
patrickstar
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A few years ago i used them on a lab which kept running in did nothing tbh kept running in .After speaking to various other keepers who didnt rate them either i changed training methods and bingo job done lol.Just because i think they cruel does not make me to Stupid to train a dog .So before you call me Pm me .
jimmy milnes
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Could i ask your original training method on the steadiness training an also how you changed it please?
Cheers Jimmy
Rake Aboot
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If your dog was distressed enough for you think it was cruel then yes, you were too stupid to learn how to work and use it correctly.
Sorry if you don’t like that but if you were hurting your dog , the collar was not the problem.
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