Dedicated Foxing NV- New or Secondhand

[@theroedeerguy]

Looking for a bit of user experience on dedicated NV units solely for night use fox control one or two nights a week.

Will be used on a .222 and not looking to be shooting out past 200-250 yards.

Will I get good enough performance from a s/h unit for £400-£600 such as

Sightmark Wraith HD
Pulsar Digex N450
Yukon Sightline

Or is it a better long term buy to just get a new Pulsar Digex C50.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Just my experience but, digital goes wrong quite a bit, I may just be unlucky. But my Pulsar N450 never did hold zero for more than 10 seconds after you switched it off from sighting it in, my first Pard 007 only lasted just over a year before that started to play up ( I finally got another unit under warranty ) my next spend will definitely be a PVS-14 used as a rear add-on, I know four people that use them professionally and they wouldn't use anything else now!

 

[Paddy_SP]

Just my experience but, digital goes wrong quite a bit, I may just be unlucky. But my Pulsar N450 never did hold zero for more than 10 seconds after you switched it off from sighting it in, my first Pard 007 only lasted just over a year before that started to play up ( I finally got another unit under warranty ) my next spend will definitely be a PVS-14 used as a rear add-on, I know four people that use them professionally and they wouldn't use anything else now!

Agreed 100%. Both I and my shooting partner made the move to PVS-14s many years ago, and neither of us have any intention of changing. No faffing about with endless button pressing - simply switch on, bang.

 

[Phil fox man]

I have used an archer/ night force set up for over 15 years( I might add the same unit).
although it's an add on it never comes off the gun.

 

[BLUEROLL]

Looking for a bit of user experience on dedicated NV units solely for night use fox control one or two nights a week.

Will be used on a .222 and not looking to be shooting out past 200-250 yards.

Will I get good enough performance from a s/h unit for £400-£600 such as

Sightmark Wraith HD
Pulsar Digex N450
Yukon Sightline

Or is it a better long term buy to just get a new Pulsar Digex C50.

Thanks in advance.

Digex C50

 

[Jon P]

My Yukon Photon has never lost zero once set up.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Definitely the Yukon - but get the N470 rather than the N450
The Wraith is a day/night scope and it's not up to much at night unless you use it with a laser based IR
The Digex is way too sensitive and whites out with even a smidge too much IR
The Yukon is in the Goldilocks zone- sensitive enough to IR to not not need a laser IR, but not so sensitive that it whites out easily. it also has higher base magnification than the other 2 which will make it better for 200-250 yard foxes.
If you can get a Yukon for £400-£500 and you only shoot at night, then why waste money on a C50?

Cheers

Bruce

 

[@theroedeerguy]

Thanks for all the advice, I’m looking for a dedicated unit so it’s looking like it’s going to be a choice between the Yukon or the C50.

 

[Wilbur]

Depends on what type of land you are using it on hill ground would be better with thermal open grass fields digital will be ok

 

[mealiejimmy]

Depends on what type of land you are using it on hill ground would be better with thermal open grass fields digital will be ok

Thermal would be better - end of story, but maybe the OP doesn't have the money for a thermal scope that will give a decent image of a fox at 250 yards.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Phil fox man]

Thermal would be better - end of story, but maybe the OP doesn't have the money for a thermal scope that will give a decent image of a fox at 250 yards.

Cheers

Bruce

hi can't say I've used thermal but all the video I've seen don't give a clear enough picture for me to place a kill shot.of the videos I've seen there were to many runner's and second shots for my liking.might be different in the Field

 

[mealiejimmy]

Ignore all thermal videos - none of them can replicate what the shooter sees through the eyepiece of the scope
I have been using thermal for spotting for 10 years and shooting exclusively with thermal for about 6 years and anytime I try NV kit for shooting I find it's a complete PITA
Thermal takes practice to make sure you can correctly identify what you're looking at/shooting at and, as with all shooting, you should not pull the trigger unless you are 100% certain you know what you are shooting at and that the shot is safe.
With those caveats addressed, spotting potential quarry is much easier with thermal than with NV and once spotted and identified, making an accurate shot is no more difficult with thermal than with NV
With practice, and knowing the ballistics of the cartridge being used, head shooting rabbits at 200 yards and chest/shoulder shots on foxes out to 300 yards are no more difficult with thermal than with NV.


Cheers

Bruce

 

[Phil fox man]

Ignore all thermal videos - none of them can replicate what the shooter sees through the eyepiece of the scope
I have been using thermal for spotting for 10 years and shooting exclusively with thermal for about 6 years and anytime I try NV kit for shooting I find it's a complete PITA
Thermal takes practice to make sure you can correctly identify what you're looking at/shooting at and, as with all shooting, you should not pull the trigger unless you are 100% certain you know what you are shooting at and that the shot is safe.
With those caveats addressed, spotting potential quarry is much easier with thermal than with NV and once spotted and identified, making an accurate shot is no more difficult with thermal than with NV
With practice, and knowing the ballistics of the cartridge being used, head shooting rabbits at 200 yards and chest/shoulder shots on foxes out to 300 yards are no more difficult with thermal than with NV.


Cheers

Bruce

Hi I think I need to try one out before I invest.
I spot with an axion key and shoot with a nightforce on 10 power with an archer.
at 300yds+ I can see if the fox Is slightly side on and place the shot accordingly ,can you tell this with thermal or you shooting at the heat blur?

 

[mealiejimmy]

At 300 yard with the proper thermal scope, you tell whether it's front on or side on, or somewhere in between

Cheers

Bruce

 

[@theroedeerguy]

I’m looking for a decent set up that will lend itself well to solo fox control.

I’ll scan with thermal and then shoot with NV.

I want to see how that works out for me and then I’d maybe consider a thermal scope in the future but for now I’m not wanting to spend much more than £600-£700 on a new unit which the N470s seem to fit the bill best.

Deer stalking will still make up the bulk of my shooting with fox control realistically being probably 1 night a week on average.

 

[Wilbur]

Ignore all thermal videos - none of them can replicate what the shooter sees through the eyepiece of the scope
I have been using thermal for spotting for 10 years and shooting exclusively with thermal for about 6 years and anytime I try NV kit for shooting I find it's a complete PITA
Thermal takes practice to make sure you can correctly identify what you're looking at/shooting at and, as with all shooting, you should not pull the trigger unless you are 100% certain you know what you are shooting at and that the shot is safe.
With those caveats addressed, spotting potential quarry is much easier with thermal than with NV and once spotted and identified, making an accurate shot is no more difficult with thermal than with NV
With practice, and knowing the ballistics of the cartridge being used, head shooting rabbits at 200 yards and chest/shoulder shots on foxes out to 300 yards are no more difficult with thermal than with NV.


Cheers

Bruce

Absolutely spot on

 

[Overlay]

I’m running 2 Yukon 470 s scopes and they have been faultless on a 22 LR and a hornet, previously the 22 was on a 17 hornet it worked further than I shoot, rabbits over 200 yds with a decent IR were not a problem at all, they due tend to be a bit brighter and a careful setting up of a decent IR will help a great deal

 

[Neddle]

Looking for a bit of user experience on dedicated NV units solely for night use fox control one or two nights a week.

Will be used on a .222 and not looking to be shooting out past 200-250 yards.

Will I get good enough performance from a s/h unit for £400-£600 such as

Sightmark Wraith HD
Pulsar Digex N450
Yukon Sightline

Or is it a better long term buy to just get a new Pulsar Digex C50.

Thanks in advance.

Sightmark Wraith here inc extended mount 425 posted

 

[@theroedeerguy]

Sightmark Wraith here inc extended mount 425 posted

Thanks for the offer but I’ll most likely be opting for the Yukon 470s.

 

[Neddle]

Fair play, don't know anyone that uses one of them