Ammunition storage
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Not if that cabinet also contains the complete rifle. The ammunition must be kept in a lockable fixed cabinet secured to the fabric of the property that is separate from the firearm in which it is used. All a lockable cash box does is make the the one hundred (or whatever) rounds of ammunition in gtheor packets easier for a thief to carry than would the ammunition in it's five maker's packs of twenty "loose" and not all together in the one single container with a useful handle on top.
I got an electronic pin code safe from Screwfix, I think it is 43 litres, for about 40 quid. Can fasten to fabric of house, in a separate location from safe if needs be. More than enough room for ammunition, bolts and keys. Was actually advised by my FEO to get one as keys to safe can be misplaced, if keys are locked in another safe only accessible by a pin number known only to you it adds another layer of security.
Pete1774
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I got one of these for ammo. Bolted it to the top of my gun cabinet and the wall behind it. FEO was happy. Plenty of space for a few vanubles and they usually do free next day delivery.
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I have had, for at least 20yrs, a cash box bolted to the top of the cabinet (external, not inside the cabinet) at the suggestion of the FEO.
Frankly it's ridiculously insecure and not very convenient for centrefire ammo. Very few boxes of 20 fit inside. But it has been deemed acceptable several times.
If I was doing it again, I'd do similar to posts #4 .
Frankly it's ridiculously insecure and not very convenient for centrefire ammo. Very few boxes of 20 fit inside. But it has been deemed acceptable several times.
If I was doing it again, I'd do similar to posts #4 .
Whatever you decide to go with just stop & do a quick logic check - is it going to be big enough for the amount of ammo you are applying to hold on your FAC? If not then you are asking for trouble. As already said, you won't get a lot of centrefire ammo in a cash box so asking for 200 rounds of, say, 243 plus 500 rounds of .22LR as well then expecting the FEO to sign off on a small tin that'll probably hold 2 boxes of 20 centrefire rounds tops is not going to end well!
My advice, for what it's worth, would be think long term, what else are you likely to want within the next few years or even at your first renewal as far as rifles & ammo go? Plan for that & get a cabinet big enough to take an extra rifle or two, plus a similarly large enough ammo cabinet & you'll likely get a green light at first grant plus a note on file that you could store more rifles & ammo without the need to upgrade so no dramas with variations.
Get a decent sized cabinet designed to take scoped rifles & mount that somewhere secure. Then get a smaller cabinet either designed for ammo or perhaps one of those designed to take a shotgun in broken down form & mount that somewhere different to the main cabinet. You'll then have plenty of room for ammo plus bolts & by splitting them from the rifles you are demonstrating you are reducing risk.
My advice, for what it's worth, would be think long term, what else are you likely to want within the next few years or even at your first renewal as far as rifles & ammo go? Plan for that & get a cabinet big enough to take an extra rifle or two, plus a similarly large enough ammo cabinet & you'll likely get a green light at first grant plus a note on file that you could store more rifles & ammo without the need to upgrade so no dramas with variations.
Get a decent sized cabinet designed to take scoped rifles & mount that somewhere secure. Then get a smaller cabinet either designed for ammo or perhaps one of those designed to take a shotgun in broken down form & mount that somewhere different to the main cabinet. You'll then have plenty of room for ammo plus bolts & by splitting them from the rifles you are demonstrating you are reducing risk.
I have a Bratonsound 12 gun cabinet (deep for scoped rifles) it has a lockable internal safe for bullets . I also have another safe for shotgun ammo - last one totally unnecessary but leftover from previous setup. I also have another rifle safe (more accessible for the rabbits in the garden) - the former setup. Both approved by FEO's in different areas.
Keeping the keys for the gun cabinet in it as well and the ammunition and hints for the rifle makes keeping them separate a little pointless. As soon as they have access to the bolts and ammo they also have access to the rifles…..
It was the FEO who advised I do it on my initial home visit. Apparently because I live in a house with my wife if I didn't lock the keys away behind a pin code my wife could stumble across my keys and gain access to cabinet... Not that she would ever be inclined.
Foxyboy43
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Hmmm. “Safes” are increasingly visual rather than physical deterrents. One does one’s best as a responsible firearms owner to follow all the recommended security requirements and then you find a series of quite unbelievably stupid Youtube videos such as the attached example which kinda makes all of your efforts a tad pointless! This guy seems to rejoice in opening everything but then shares how to do it with everybody!
PS
many years ago a pal lost his keys and after a few futile attempts with assorted equipment we found a stout garden spade was the best gunsafe opener by far. So if you see someone walking down the street with a spade in his hand - beware!
PS
many years ago a pal lost his keys and after a few futile attempts with assorted equipment we found a stout garden spade was the best gunsafe opener by far. So if you see someone walking down the street with a spade in his hand - beware!
I've the same setup as Pete1774, with a large external ammo safe bolted on to the top of the cabinet.
Safe and ammo box keys are best stored elsewhere in a pin code keysafe.
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Safe and ammo box keys are best stored elsewhere in a pin code keysafe.
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Yeah, I don’t doubt it but can you see the point I’m making? Your FEO obviously hasn’t thought about keeping the keys, bolts and ammo together.
That sounds OTT.
The wife needs to be able to access the cabinet. Saves you taking your boots off when you realise you've forgotten something after getting all togged up to go out....
(Admittedly, you might not phrase it quite like that when explaining your security arrangements to the FEO
).As mentioned - get a safe big enough for ammo needs - centre fire ammo takes up room. Separate safe away from the main cabinet - more secure - shows your security aware.
Equally if you have target shooting for FAC and have a lot of rounds - the cost of it soon adds up - if I bought all the ammo I was allowed in one go it would be a lot of money - which I want to keep safe so don’t cheap out on the safe!
Equally if you have target shooting for FAC and have a lot of rounds - the cost of it soon adds up - if I bought all the ammo I was allowed in one go it would be a lot of money - which I want to keep safe so don’t cheap out on the safe!
Phil fox man
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could she not take your boots off for you? the same as when you come home at nightThat sounds OTT.
The wife needs to be able to access the cabinet. Saves you taking your boots off when you realise you've forgotten something after getting all togged up to go out....
(Admittedly, you might not phrase it quite like that when explaining your security arrangements to the FEO
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