Lead ammunition - BASC statement in response to RSPB and WWT open letter

[25 Sharps]

No of course you don't. Keep working on the parts of your hobby that aren't catered for just as others are doing. Alternatives will arise. Have faith.

You don’t shoot target with a club do you?

Solid lead free is not allowed at bisley, expanding is only allowed to 300 yards. My indoor tunnel club uses steel plates as back stops. Work perfectly with lead bullets, no good for copper which you can’t buy anyway.

How do I ‘keep working’ on this? What practical steps should I take? (Having faith is not a practical step)

 

[Dunwaters]

If you relax and draw back from the fray a bit, this thread is actually side-splittingly funny.
My admiration for BASC and all the other organisations that have fought the good fight and are still fighting it grows with every single post
I really love you guys, all of you, regardless of how ridiculous some of the science denier’s arguments are.
Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

So we are to just resign ourselves to calling it a day because those who aren’t affected (deer stalkers) are happy enough to carry on as they are and not stand up for other areas of shooting sports?

That is why shooting is doomed….

Who is going to fight it or got the financing to fight it?

All the shooting orgs have already surrendered sold shooting up the river!

You guys have got to get your head around it and make your own path.

Because its going to happen

 

[griff]

Sorry guys that last link was pish.
This one shows the astonishing amount of game shot in the EU and the UK it really is an eye opener. Just down load the text.

(PDF) Setting maximum levels for lead in game meat in EC regulations: An adjunct to replacement of lead ammunition

PDF | Each year, hunters from 12 of the 27 European Union (EU) countries and the UK shoot over 6 million large game mammals, 12 million rabbits and... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[25 Sharps]

Who is going to fight it or got the financing to fight it?

All the shooting orgs have already surrendered sold shooting up the river!

You guys have got to get your head around it and make your own path.

Because its going to happen

They aparently haven’t, going for a damage limitation approach, this was only about shotgun cartridges 2 years ago.

But they may have sold everything else out the back door.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

They aparently haven’t, going for a damage limitation approach, this was only about shotgun cartridges 2 years ago.

But they may have sold everything else out the back door.

More than likely its massively hurt their membership levels and are now trying to back fill the hole they dug!

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I have read all the comments and I think most of us would agree that it would be unfair and disproportionate to restrict uses of lead ammunition that cause nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment?

 

[25 Sharps]

I have read all the comments and I think most of us would agree that it would be unfair and disproportionate to restrict uses of lead ammunition that cause nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment?

We would

 

[Liveonce]

My big concern is not the impact on my shooting now, but what a total ban on lead will do for the future of all shooting for the next generation, likely making it much more expensive for a junior to even consider a few clays on a Sunday morning with the .410 or target shooting with an air rifle or rim fire.

Yes I can adapt and get by, shoot less to offset the increasing costs and finally call it a day, but who will replace me and the many like me? if their is no affordable way into shooting and less opportunity.

 

[25 Sharps]

What does make me laugh, on one piece of ground I shoot this guy always turns up within 1 minute of a rifle shot, red kite, he’s been doing this for at least 4 years and presumably feeding on the gralloch.

Why is he not dead?
(Photo taken Sunday morning straight after shooting a Munti doe)

 

[Liveonce]

He’s clearly not dead but flys lower each year due to the weight of the lead inside him

Nice sight to see and getting more common.

 

[25 Sharps]

I have read all the comments and I think most of us would agree that it would be unfair and disproportionate to restrict uses of lead ammunition that cause nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment?

I would add it was unfair and disproportionate to ban pistols and semi auto rifles above .22 but they still did it!

 

[griff]

I would add it was unfair and disproportionate to ban pistols and semi auto rifles above .22 but they still did it!

Yes, and who do we have to blame for that..

 

[25 Sharps]

He’s clearly not dead but flys lower each year due to the weight of the lead inside him

Nice sight to see and getting more common.

Loads around these parts and it is nice to see

 

[25 Sharps]

Yes, and who do we have to blame for that..

The government of the time

 

[griff]

The government of the time

Or was it one of the organisations representing us, told the government there was no place for semi autos in the deerstalking.

 

[25 Sharps]

Or was it one of the organisations representing us, told the government there was no place for semi autos in the deerstalking.

There’s more to shooting than just stalking!!

 

[griff]

There’s more to shooting than just stalking!!

Spot on. didn't use mine for stalking, but had it taken away all the same..

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I have read all the comments and I think most of us would agree that it would be unfair and disproportionate to restrict uses of lead ammunition that cause nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment?

So, in that context, what uses of lead ammunition will the HSE consider nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment and might thereby leave alone in their risk assessment? Not much, if the EU REACH restriction proposals published in February last year are anything to go by and which in summary (copy and pasted from weblink below) were as follows:

• ban on the sale and use of lead gunshot (with a five-year transition period). As current Olympic rules specify the use of lead ammunition for certain disciplines, ECHA also considered an optional derogation for use of lead gunshot for sports shooting only under strict conditions, i.e. when releases to the environment are minimised.
• ban on the use of lead in bullets and other projectiles (small calibre: five-year; large calibre: 18-month transition periods). Derogations for continued use if releases to the environment are minimised, i.e. when sports shooting ranges are equipped with bullet traps.

All news - ECHA

The European Chemicals Agency brings forward a proposal for further EU-wide restrictions on the use of lead in ammunition for hunting and outdoor sports shooting as well as in fishing. The proposal aims to address the risks of lead in these activities to protect people, wildlife and the environment.

echa.europa.eu

 

[enfieldspares]

So, in that context, what uses of lead ammunition will the HSE consider nil or negligible risks for people, wildlife or the environment and might thereby leave alone in their risk assessment? Not much, if the EU REACH restriction proposals published in February last year are anything to go by and which in summary (copy and pasted from weblink below) were as follows:

• ban on the sale and use of lead gunshot (with a five-year transition period). As current Olympic rules specify the use of lead ammunition for certain disciplines, ECHA also considered an optional derogation for use of lead gunshot for sports shooting only under strict conditions, i.e. when releases to the environment are minimised.
• ban on the use of lead in bullets and other projectiles (small calibre: five-year; large calibre: 18-month transition periods). Derogations for continued use if releases to the environment are minimised, i.e. when sports shooting ranges are equipped with bullet traps.

All news - ECHA

The European Chemicals Agency brings forward a proposal for further EU-wide restrictions on the use of lead in ammunition for hunting and outdoor sports shooting as well as in fishing. The proposal aims to address the risks of lead in these activities to protect people, wildlife and the environment.

echa.europa.eu

There must be NO derogation for shotgun using "Olympic Sports". If this costs Team Great Britain a place on the medals podium in Paris in 2024 then let it be so. There should be no "officers only" "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" nonsense. Let the Olympic shooters also suffer the ban because they've been bloody well silent about any opposition to it so far. So let them reap that harvest too.