TWEEDL – poor practice selling at Game Fair

davidjakt

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Like many of us here, I expect, I occasionally indulge on a fantasy, but futile purchase of a ticket in the TWEEDL competitions. At the Game Fair yesterday, I wandered over the stand and chatted to a pleasant young salesperson there. I told him I already used TWEEDL and that I’d seen the recently announced Longthorne gun competition and would probably be buying a ticket on-line. He said, “You get the best rates here.” And so I agreed to buy one, but didn’t have my TWEEDL password with me. He said, that’s fine, if you’ve your e-mail we can do it here for you. That’s helpful, I said, here’s my e-mail, how much do I owe you? £20 he replied. I queried what the on-line price is: £19.99. I challenged him about his assertation that the best rates were here at the show (I was expecting, say, 10% discount), to which he said it was simpler to sort in there and then. I walked away, not impressed.

Such untruths (technically, more expensive, albeit by a penny, not the “best rate”) are worrying about the integrity of that company. It's put me off using them. Anyone else have similar experiences or concerns?
 
These 'raffle' competitions are a scam, pay X amount for a chance to win something of much greater value... more often than not, the 'prize' costs them nothing to acquire as they take it as payment for marketing said buisness/company.
 
These 'raffle' competitions are a scam, pay X amount for a chance to win something of much greater value... more often than not, the 'prize' costs them nothing to acquire as they take it as payment for marketing said buisness/company.
He does a actually buy the driven days, if he sells all the tickets he’s had a good return.
 
These 'raffle' competitions are a scam, pay X amount for a chance to win something of much greater value... more often than not, the 'prize' costs them nothing to acquire as they take it as payment for marketing said buisness/company.
Indeed they are not even raffles.

They skirt around the rules for genuine lotteries, raffles, charity auctions etc. by supposedly requiring some skill, answering a few obvious questions, even providing a free entry route. Wherever they buy the prizes from, then keeping it running until the "lucky" people have paid more than enough into the pot to more than cover their costs.

Still, to be credible, not just a scam, some "prizes" or "winners" have to be seen to succeed, to much fanfare.

They are "Prize Competitions", under the rules of the Gambling Commission. Actually I suspect that what e.g. LuckyHunter is doing, with it's pitiful multiple choice skills test, whilst also purporting to be a Free Draw, is skating on the edge.

But good for them, an interesting business plan, which, on the face of it, ought to be profitable. And at least some people appear to have "won" some prizes. And provide some entertainment for those who are inclined to gamble.

Free draws and prize competitions


What is a free draw?
There are two types of free draw:

the first type is where all entries are free.
Free is any method of communication charged at the normal rate, and specifically refers to the use of first or second class post.

Normal rate means that there can be no additional payment over what it normally costs to use a particular method of communication. For example, special delivery is not classed as free.

the second type has both a paid and a free entry route.
If you run a free draw with a paid entry route, you must make sure that:
people can choose to take part without paying

the free entry route can be no more expensive and must be no less convenient than the paid route
the free entry route must also be available at the normal rate. For example, you cannot use special delivery in the free route and First Class in the paid route
the free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes
the choice between the free entry route and the paid entry route must be promoted so that people who want to participate can see it
the system that determines prizes should not recognise the two routes as different.

What is a prize competition?
A prize competition is where the outcome is determined by the participants skill, judgement or knowledge.

The organisers of a prize competition must be able to show that the skill, knowledge or judgement required will:

discourage people wishing to enter from doing so because it is too difficult
prevent a proportion of those who enter from winning a prize
Multiple choice questions, or questions that allow a second chance if your first answer is wrong, rarely meet this criteria.


Do I need a licence to run a free draw or prize competition?
You do not need a licence or permission to run a free draw or prize competition as long as they are being ran in a way that meets the requirements of the Gambling Act 2005 (opens in a new tab).
 
Indeed they are not even raffles.

They skirt around the rules for genuine lotteries, raffles, charity auctions etc. by supposedly requiring some skill, answering a few obvious questions, even providing a free entry route. Wherever they buy the prizes from, then keeping it running until the "lucky" people have paid more than enough into the pot to more than cover their costs.

Still, to be credible, not just a scam, some "prizes" or "winners" have to be seen to succeed, to much fanfare.

They are "Prize Competitions", under the rules of the Gambling Commission. Actually I suspect that what e.g. LuckyHunter is doing, with it's pitiful multiple choice skills test, whilst also purporting to be a Free Draw, is skating on the edge.

But good for them, an interesting business plan, which, on the face of it, ought to be profitable. And at least some people appear to have "won" some prizes. And provide some entertainment for those who are inclined to gamble.

Free draws and prize competitions


What is a free draw?
There are two types of free draw:

the first type is where all entries are free.
Free is any method of communication charged at the normal rate, and specifically refers to the use of first or second class post.

Normal rate means that there can be no additional payment over what it normally costs to use a particular method of communication. For example, special delivery is not classed as free.

the second type has both a paid and a free entry route.
If you run a free draw with a paid entry route, you must make sure that:
people can choose to take part without paying

the free entry route can be no more expensive and must be no less convenient than the paid route
the free entry route must also be available at the normal rate. For example, you cannot use special delivery in the free route and First Class in the paid route
the free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes
the choice between the free entry route and the paid entry route must be promoted so that people who want to participate can see it
the system that determines prizes should not recognise the two routes as different.

What is a prize competition?
A prize competition is where the outcome is determined by the participants skill, judgement or knowledge.

The organisers of a prize competition must be able to show that the skill, knowledge or judgement required will:

discourage people wishing to enter from doing so because it is too difficult
prevent a proportion of those who enter from winning a prize
Multiple choice questions, or questions that allow a second chance if your first answer is wrong, rarely meet this criteria.


Do I need a licence to run a free draw or prize competition?
You do not need a licence or permission to run a free draw or prize competition as long as they are being ran in a way that meets the requirements of the Gambling Act 2005 (opens in a new tab).
the rules about draws and raffles are quite exact and well enforced... it used to make me laugh when people spoke about selling raffle tickets and you won a beer to get around the licensing act.... a local bike club changed their mind about using that method when i pointed out that the fine under the licensing act at the time was quite small and under the gaming act for running a fixed draw was huge (may have been unlimited) and possible jail time!
 
They are "Prize Competitions", under the rules of the Gambling Commission. Actually I suspect that what e.g. LuckyHunter is doing, with it's pitiful multiple choice skills test, whilst also purporting to be a Free Draw, is skating on the edge.
No different to the "competitions" you see on the Tele daily, and in just about every magazine you pick up
 
$30 for a 1 in 1399 chance to win a shotgun worth $30,000 cdn ? Count me in.
Where did you see that ?

Maybe you were thinking of this one, a genuine lottery for the Countryside Alliance. A charity BTW. When I do go in for a lottery for a charity I do not expect any return, though have a couple of times been very pleasantly surprised. At least I know my "losings" are hopefully going to a good charitable cause.

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PS Longthornes start at about £15,000, About 23,000 $ Canadian.

I rather suspect that is rather beyond most prize competition's budget. At those odds the organisers would still have cleared about $19,000 Canadian, even if they paid full retail for the gun. Sweet.

No idea how the rules apply in Canada. But clearly you are a gambler, with some disposable income. That maybe could be directly given to a charitable cause that you support.

TBH I have no desire to own an £15,000 shotgun, but maybe I have no class.
 
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