One of my shooting buddies (also am RFD) is using the S&B to good effect in his creedmoor
shot over previous lead fowling perhaps ? A creedmore would generally have 1-8 twist and would be fine with any matching copper round. Many have reported lead and copper fouling dont mix ( though it isnt something i should ever do personally ) , even mixing various lead loads isnt something i am keen on ( though it might not matter it still messes with my head ).
We will agree ti disagree. I did suggest make sure he can the estate rifle is available. God alone knows what copper bullets you have been trying but my experience using Fox Classic is very very different. They shoot very tight groups and no drop worth speaking of at 200 with sights set an inch high at 100.
Slow! Not what I’ve found, Good round apart from the size of the exit hole
It’s a sako 75. To be honest I thought even individual rifles may vary in bullet preference but it’s a fair point!
1” high @ 100m/yds has served me well for almost 2 decades over 4 different calibres.
if your talking (feet of drop) as stated from 100 to just 200 , those rounds should be returned to the dealer forthwith , the chance of them being deer legal is slim at best . its a 270 for pities sake even a 22 hornet should be able to make 200 yards from a 100 zero without being a full foot low i am 4" low at 200 with a 140 zero with the hornet .
Agreed, and if you look at the published load data for most factory lead free loads the ballistics are pretty much the same as an old lead load out to 300m with similar drops, terminal velocity and retained energy.1” high @ 100m/yds has served me well for almost 2 decades over 4 different calibres.
If you do enough, you know what your rifle and ammunition can do!
@Heym SR20 maybe you and i are too rustic for the SD purists amongst the congregation
Used a fixed 8x56 schmidt for 15 odd years only just in the last few years, gone over to variable so so when you shop I fixed mags scope for that long inch high works!
And variable is kept at 6 to 8x most of the time.
in practice they are not equal to lead ballistics , when you actually shoot them on paper . how can they be when comparing lead and copper ? simlar to steel and lead are not the same . The lighter projectile material slows down first in both copper bullets and steel pellets , almost like hitting a wall as they shed velocity . that doesn't mean they are particularly bad , just you have to understand it and allow . I really notice the difference at 300 yards as compared to 100 in expansion , trajectory and windage , needs consideration 100 grain lead 243 against 260 rem 100 copper
So just pulled a couple of boxes of ammo out.
It doesn’t really matter what calibre you shoot, you are going to be dropping somewhere between 8 and 18 inches in 300 yards, I know my 270 drops 12 inches at 300 m, zeroed 1 inch high at 100 once you know that crack on
Quite, and with most calibres not a lot of variation between a copper and lead core bullet in terms of drops. But many on SD think that copper bullets are rather like throwing ping pong balls. Funny how many are now using copper bullets for long range target shooting, and long range hunting.
such a mixed bag data wise , if this is packet data i should disregard it . it needs shooting
I have shot it. Admittedly I don’t shoot deer at 300 yards or metres. I have shot deer at that distance, and I know that ****s ups rise exponentially with distance. At 200 they all work well and no change to hold is needed.
depends what you compare of course but less weight for a given size is not as effective at holding energy. I shoot 100 TTSX at 3200 fps from the 260 rem and can tell you its hits a wall about 250 and drops a little more than a 100 grain 243 lead bullet . But a do really like how these TTSX work and would go back , none the less they are good to 400 when conditions play nice and still expand through its obviously less than they will at 200 yards . Weight retention has always been 100% unless i loose one of the petals at any range and you dont get that with lead plus is no toxic fragments sprayed through the meat and less jelly shoulders .
